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Old 03-24-2013, 11:53   #61
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Yep this is getting out of hand now.

Time for the lock.
Not locked yet, as of 1352 EDT 24Mar13
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Old 03-25-2013, 16:50   #62
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Exactly How Many Rounds is 1.6 Billion?
Enough to fight a 20-year full-scale war according to military experts, leading directly to the question of why an internal US agency would need that much ammunition unless to suppress a restive population.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:31   #63
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32 million 50-round boxes!
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Old 03-26-2013, 13:23   #64
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Enough to fight a 20-year full-scale war according to military experts, leading directly to the question of why an internal US agency would need that much ammunition unless to suppress a restive population.
Think about the number. There are what 100M gun owners. If everyone bought just 100rds of ammo, 1B rounds. It's not that much when you think about it. I think my math is right.
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Old 03-26-2013, 13:34   #65
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Enough to fight a 20-year full-scale war according to military experts, leading directly to the question of why an internal US agency would need that much ammunition unless to suppress a restive population.
That isn't "AN" agency.

Look at the numbers of armed personnel in ALL of the agencies involved and their training and duty ammo needs.

Finally, when you have done that you might want to admit that you researched enough to discover that it is a "Contract to potentially buy" Nobody has bought that amount it just locks in product and supply for the length of the contract, It is SOP for many things involving Government contacts.

If you saw the contracts for toilet paper you would probably come to the conclusion that the evil GVT Ninjas were planning on weakening the populace through inflicted Dysentery.

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Old 03-28-2013, 08:07   #66
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Think about the number. There are what 100M gun owners. If everyone bought just 100rds of ammo, 1B rounds. It's not that much when you think about it. I think my math is right.
I wonder how many handgun owners there are in the USA?
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:38   #67
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How many trucks would it take to haul 32 million 50 round boxes? What would be the total weight of 32 million 50 round boxes? Just trying to get a visual on the amount of ammo ordered.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:31   #68
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How many trucks would it take to haul 32 million 50 round boxes? What would be the total weight of 32 million 50 round boxes? Just trying to get a visual on the amount of ammo ordered.
There is no such "order" or purchase.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:54   #69
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Considering that the vast majority of the folks on this board have a healthy distrust of the government/administration, the fact that over 50% of the post say this isn't a big deal is very telling.....
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Considering that the vast majority of the folks on this board have a healthy distrust of the government/administration, the fact that over 50% of the post say this isn't a big deal is very telling.....
Maybe we are all being hoodwinked, but DHS could CONTRACT to purchase up to a quadrillion rounds of ammo at a given price, but if they only purchase 150 million (roughly 1500 rds per agent) , what is the problem?

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Old 04-01-2013, 14:24   #71
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Maybe we are all being hoodwinked, but DHS could CONTRACT to purchase up to a quadrillion rounds of ammo at a given price, but if they only purchase 150 million (roughly 1500 rds per agent) , what is the problem?

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I am having a hard time following the logic trail involved.

IF this contract is public information, therefore not in "secret" and it is responsible for the shortage of a limited number of calibers, then where is the contract with ALL of the manufacturers that is causing a shortage of .22 rimfire?

To put it simply, if you can find a contract that is supposed to be responsible for the lack of .40 S&W show me the contract that is responsible for the shortage of .22 LR

How in the world could DHS possibly keep all the employees of the ammo companies and everyone the know silent on this scheme?

What is DHS doing with all the .32 auto ammo, the .38 special, the .257 Roberts, even the 30-30 that is scarce in some areas?
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Old 04-01-2013, 14:27   #72
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Maybe we are all being hoodwinked, but DHS could CONTRACT to purchase up to a quadrillion rounds of ammo at a given price, but if they only purchase 150 million (roughly 1500 rds per agent) , what is the problem?

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No problem at all. I am glad the government is saving tax payor money by buying in bulk.
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Old 04-01-2013, 14:48   #73
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Enough to put 5 rounds into every human being living in the country they are supposed to be protecting.
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Old 04-01-2013, 15:35   #74
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Enough to put 5 rounds into every human being living in the country they are supposed to be protecting.
Amazing.

How many rounds have you fired in practice and how many people have you shot?
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Old 04-01-2013, 20:45   #75
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How about some actual numbers regarding ammunition numbers?

Probably not going to help keep the conspiracy buffs excited, though. Oh well ....

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...c-fd099b51c966

Follow the links for the 2 DHS responses in the website link,
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Old 04-01-2013, 20:58   #76
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If the number is 1.6 billion, that is only five rounds or so for each man, woman, and child in the country. Less than one New York magazine full per person.


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Old 04-01-2013, 22:09   #77
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Over 200MM in inventory. Purchase 100MM a year. 1.6B is enough to last 16 years, but it is only a 5-year contract.

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Old 04-02-2013, 07:41   #78
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If the number is 1.6 billion, that is only five rounds or so for each man, woman, and child in the country. Less than one New York magazine full per person.


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I guess when I purchase ammo for my department and all my officers from now on I need to use the "3-5 bullets per person living in my jurisdiction" method to determine how many I should buy....

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Over 200MM in inventory. Purchase 100MM a year. 1.6B is enough to last 16 years, but it is only a 5-year contract.
So I guess based on that its not nearly the monster everyone seems to think it is...or wait did they USE over 100 million a year for training? Oh, yes they did....

Look at the links provided on the last page by bolt.
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If the number is 1.6 billion, that is only five rounds or so for each man, woman, and child in the country. Less than one New York magazine full per person.


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I guess when I purchase ammo for my department and all my officers from now on I need to use the "3-5 bullets per person living in my jurisdiction" method to determine how many I should buy....



So I guess based on that its not nearly the monster everyone seems to think it is...or wait did they USE over 100 million a year for training? Oh, yes they did....

Look at the links provided on the last page by bolt.
Even with all of this out there, I predict at least a couple dozen posts this week (and a few new threads) that will reference the 1.6 billion rounds "bought last year" by DHS.

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