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Old 03-25-2013, 07:21   #1
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.223 or 7.62x39 for 1st time buyer?

I don't know much about semi-autos, but between an AR-15 platform .223 or a Mini-30, which one would be better? My two concerns are:

Which ammo is cheaper?
Which ammo is easier to get?
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:43   #2
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I don't know much about semi-autos, but between an AR-15 platform .223 or a Mini-30, which one would be better? My two concerns are:

Which ammo is cheaper?
Which ammo is easier to get?
.223 and 7.62x39 is hard to find right now.

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Old 03-25-2013, 08:49   #3
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Right now, those two calibers are selling for almost the same price - if you can find them at all. You didn't mention what you will use this weapon for and that can help determine which caliber would be best. Good luck!
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:10   #4
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223 and 7.62 have gone up on my town. That's if you find any like at sportsmans warehouse or Wally World. If you go to some LGS. Their prices are double what they used to be. Used to be able to get some cheap 7.62. Usually 20 rounds I think for like $5. Now $10-15. And 223 was $7.99 for 20. Now also $10-25 per box. It sucks man :(
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Old 03-25-2013, 13:15   #5
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Here in Houston, easier to find x39. a little bit cheaper, but not by much.
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Old 03-25-2013, 15:13   #6
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I don't know much about semi-autos, but between an AR-15 platform .223 or a Mini-30, which one would be better? My two concerns are:

Which ammo is cheaper?
Which ammo is easier to get?
These days it's close to a wash.
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The kicker is that I've read the Mini-30 will not reliably run on standard AK ammo. And requires high end domestic stuff.
If you want to run inexpensive imported 7.62x39 ammo? Get an AK.
I would go with a Mini-14 before a Mini-30.

BTW, Although some will call it blasphemy,
there are AKs that are chambered to run 5.56/.223 domestic ammo.
I've got a Arsenal SLR-106U 5.56 AK that eats anything & runs like butter.

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Old 03-25-2013, 18:33   #7
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My Mini 30 prefers US made brass case ammo, which costs about twice as much maybe more.

At pre panic prices 7.62x39 was about $4.25-$5 for steel case and last time I had to buy brass case was $10-$13. US brass case 223 was $7-$8 (20rds per box)

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Old 03-26-2013, 00:08   #8
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Which ammo is cheaper?
Which ammo is easier to get?
Totally depends on your area.
In my area the availability is about the same, but for the most part 7.62x39 is a little cheaper.

Between the Mini-30 and the AR I would without hesitation get the AR.

BTW, why is this in the AK forum?
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Old 03-26-2013, 16:57   #9
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7.62 is still a whole lot cheaper in my area. It can be had from as low as $5 a box at Walmart and the LGSs and cabellas charge $7.5 a box. Most places have it but limit you to 3-5 boxes at a time.

5.56 isn't in stock anywhere reliably. When it is its anywhere from $15-$40 per box.

Also, there are some overseas sources of brass cases 7.62 x 39. For example a couple of years ago I bought a few thousand rounds of Ficholi (sp?) Because I was taking a tactical rifle course that didn't allow steel cased ammo. It was great ammo, every bit as good as us made but less than half the cost. It was more than steel cased, but not too much more.

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Old 03-27-2013, 15:23   #10
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My Mini 30 prefers US made brass case ammo, which costs about twice as much maybe more.

At pre panic prices 7.62x39 was about $4.25-$5 for steel case and last time I had to buy brass case was $10-$13. US brass case 223 was $7-$8 (20rds per box)

Pre Sandy Hook price, thank me later

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Old 03-27-2013, 22:07   #11
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Go with the 5.56 AR-15 so you can shoot both the .223 and 5.56. Make sure the barrel is stamped 5.56...
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Old 03-28-2013, 00:10   #12
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Personally I'd say go for the AR. If you want an AK get it in 7.62x39.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:32   #13
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I do agree you should use the rifle designed around the cartridge you want to shoot.

If you want 5.56 an AR is the way to go. Sure there are AKs chambered for it, but they are expensive and so are magazines. The price difference isn't far from an AR anyway.

If you want an AK, to me it should be either 7.62 or 5.45, that's it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:25   #14
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In my area and even on the net I am seeing more 7.62x39. Local shops and cabelas had a large amount of 7.62x39 but little to no .223 or 5.56. Local shops are starting to get more .223 in but 7.62x39 is still easier to find and stays in stock longer. the x39 also did not go up as much in price. I am thinking of picking up a 7.62x39 upper.

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Old 03-28-2013, 10:29   #15
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Between the Mini-30 and the AR I would without hesitation get the AR.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:13   #16
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I personally enjoy the AK (and SKS) platform more than the AR platform - and I am able to get enough steel cased 7.62 ammo to shhot regularly relatively easily with a little bit of effort at my local Academy and AIM Surplus.

My Olympic Arms AR is chambered for 7.62 - it's a nice gun, but the manufacturer recommends the more expensive brass cased ammo - so I dont shoot it hardly at all any more. I had some of that brass-cased Yugo surplus 7.62, but it was mildly corrosive so I had to clean the gun immediately after firing it - which I don't have to do with the AKs - and they like the steel cased stuff just fine.
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Old 03-28-2013, 14:54   #17
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Why are you guys talking about the AK? It wasn't even one of the considerations in the OP. lol

Still not sure why it is in this forum.
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Old 03-28-2013, 15:18   #18
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Probably because it's an AK forum and the Mini-30 shoots 7.62x39.
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Old 03-28-2013, 16:23   #19
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I have had a Colt AR-15 for years and a Norinco AK-47 for even longer. To me, they are just different tools for different jobs. The AR (non-piston) is more finiky about not being oiled and geting carbon, dirt and debris. But, it will put that little round *5.56m/.223) accurately down range for several hundred meters.

The AK-47 can take all sorts of a lickin' and keep on tickin'. It is a larger round, but the accuracy and distance is not the same as the AR-15 (5.56m)

Different tools for jobs.

Whatever flavor you are into and what you can afford.
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I have had a Colt AR-15 for years and a Norinco AK-47 for even longer. To me, they are just different tools for different jobs. The AR (non-piston) is more finiky about not being oiled and geting carbon, dirt and debris. But, it will put that little round *5.56m/.223) accurately down range for several hundred meters.

The AK-47 can take all sorts of a lickin' and keep on tickin'. It is a larger round, but the accuracy and distance is not the same as the AR-15 (5.56m)

Different tools for jobs.

Whatever flavor you are into and what you can afford.
^ What he said.

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AK-47 is rugged and can take a good beating due to the lose tolerance however not as accurate as the AR-15 which has a tighter tolerance. If you want an accurate .308, get a Remington 700 bolt action, talk about a great sniper rifle. I would get a Rem 700 over an AK-47 but keep my AR-15, if I had only one choice, would be my Colt AR-15.

Can shoot accurately long distance (placement is key), put food on the table, and carry twice the amount of ammo on one's person. Plus more replacement parts, upgrades, etc. more versatile really. Makes sense why it's become the modern day rifle.

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Old 03-28-2013, 17:31   #21
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I don't know much about semi-autos, but between an AR-15 platform .223 or a Mini-30, which one would be better? My two concerns are:

Which ammo is cheaper?
Which ammo is easier to get?
The AR is a better rifle - more parts and magazines available, less prone to break, and the ammo is easier and cheaper to find (other than some imported crap). The 7.62x39 will only be better if you are going to deer hunt with it and, considering the accuracy of Ruger Mini-30's, I wouldn't..
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The AR is a better rifle - more parts and magazines available, less prone to break, and the ammo is easier and cheaper to find (other than some imported crap). The 7.62x39 will only be better if you are going to deer hunt with it and, considering the accuracy of Ruger Mini-30's, I wouldn't..
Wow- two out of three bad lol...

Ill take an AK over an AR any day, especially for the reliability and ammo availability
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Wow- two out of three bad lol...

Ill take an AK over an AR any day, especially for the reliability and ammo availability
What are you talking about? Ammo availability?

http://armsbot.com/ammo/223-556
http://armsbot.com/ammo/308-762x51
Haven't added 7.62X39 yet and sold out everywhere.

There is actually more of the 223/5.56 available than the 308/7.62x51 or 7.62X39. Just these retailers are gouging the crap out of their prices.

As for the availability, yes across seas you may see it more available since everyone else in the world is using 7.62X39 but availability here to buy, the 5.56 seems more available.

OP

As for reliability, they both are reliable. Just both have their own special needs and limitations. If you want to spray and pray, take the AK. If you want accuracy, AR.

It's nice to have an all American rifle and a lot of the parts are manufactured right here in America.

I have to say that the AK is a great weapon, just not for me. I'd rather have accuracy, reason why I recommend the Remington 700. Carrying less rounds means accuracy is important.

5.56 you can carry more rounds and magazines on ones person rather than half the amount going with the 7.62x51/7.62X39 unless you are built like Arnold.

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There is actually more of the 223/5.56 available than the 308/7.62x51 or 7.62X39. Just these retailers are gouging the crap out of their prices.

As for the availability, yes across seas you may see it more available since everyone else in the world is using 7.62X39 but availability here to buy, the 5.56 seems more available.
Maybe where you are at but not where I am at. Local shops got in and kept in stock 7.62x39 far better than .223 or 5.56. The .223/5.56 sells out first. My local Cabelas had around 10k rounds of 7.62x39 on the shelf when there was no .223/5.56. It was $5.99-$6.49 per20 in Jan but has since went up some. Had me thinking I need to pick up a 7.62x39 upper for my AR just in case.

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Maybe where you are at but not where I am at. Local shops got in and kept in stock 7.62x39 far better than .223 or 5.56. The .223/5.56 sells out first. My local Cabelas had around 10k rounds of 7.62x39 on the shelf when there was no .223/5.56. It was $5.99-$6.49 per20 in Jan but has since went up some.
I guess we can't argue location in the USA . As for availability, the 7.62x39 will be more available as I had mentioned since the entire world uses AK's. I do like the ability to carry more rounds.

Just the ridiculous price of these rifle rounds just suck. I was happy when I got 200 green tips for .60 cents each... Now they are over $1.00 per round? Crazy.
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