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Old 03-24-2013, 07:51   #26
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OK, for a bit of a review. So far, I have only entered data, took a few hours going back thru the results on the GSSF web site. I have shot 1-3 matches per year since 2002. I had been keeping track of raw times on a spreadsheet. Since I no longer had the actual individual times or penalties for each stage of each match, I just made up the numbers to fit the scores as posted in the results. For example, if the time was 31.23 for 5 to Glock, I entered 10,10, 11.23. For penalties, just made them add up correctly. By the time I did that, it was late so I have not messed with the reports yet. OK, I am kinda obsessive about things like this, but really like the app and appreciate the work that went in to it.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:20   #27
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camario, Conyers is not in the list of matches and the G36 is not in the list of guns. One other thing that would be nice is to have the entry number field default to the numeric keypad instead of the alpha keypad.
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:08   #28
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Great, just put some data in, thanks a lot for doing this!

Just think in 10-20 years this is how scoring at the match will be done
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Old 03-24-2013, 15:44   #29
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Great, just put some data in, thanks a lot for doing this!

Just think in 10-20 years this is how scoring at the match will be done
A little optimistic, I think!
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Old 03-24-2013, 16:28   #30
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I used it this weekend at Monroe and it performed well.

I used some down time at the hotel to go back in and add older matches. Took me a few seconds but I figured out to add matches not in the list, put I. All my various ammo used, added a few guns to the list as well like the 36 and two different open guns I've used.

Still liking it a bunch.

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Old 03-24-2013, 17:58   #31
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Took me a few seconds but I figured out to add matches not in the list
I totally missed that. Thanks!
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Old 03-24-2013, 18:41   #32
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Took me a few accidents to figure it out.

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Old 03-24-2013, 19:45   #33
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Took me a few accidents to figure it out.

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And a few more accidents to learn how to delete them.

I downloaded it and like it. He also has another app that keeps track of ammo which I like too.

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Old 03-24-2013, 21:09   #34
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Really liked the graphical displays after I got the data in, great for showing trends and seeing where I have not practiced a lot. I did see a couple matches not listed in the drop down and just added them myself.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:53   #35
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A little optimistic, I think!
By then we'll be shooting at transparent kevlar-screened iPads that automatically calculate your score and reorder all the ammo you just shot from iMart.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:55   #36
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One other thing that would be nice is to have the entry number field default to the numeric keypad instead of the alpha keypad.
THIS! Oh and that blank button in the bottom left where the * would be on a cellphone. Make that a tab key so you can cycle through the cells easier for us sausage fingers.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:45   #37
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Got all mine and my son's matches entered over the weekend and I really like the reports and graphs. My one thing to add would be placement in youth categories for my son. His overall rank is not always so good, but he seems to compete fairly well against his own age group. Seniors and ladies might want to see this as well.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:42   #38
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Been playing with it today so far everything works really well except when you get to majorsubbb it won't calculate three rounds per target it's looking for six.
As I said that's a bug and I'll ship out a revision ASAP but in the interim just add an addition 3 shots to the A/B ring so it totals to 6 and you scores will be correct.
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Old 03-25-2013, 16:53   #39
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Just think in 10-20 years this is how scoring at the match will be done
In 2 years, I could see an app for RSOs that would scan a competitors bar code for automatic squadding purposes. First scan to get on the FIFO list, 2nd scan to get squadded up next.

Then the RSO who's scoring could enter the numbers and take a photo of each target and the shooter can scan their barcode as signature confirmation.

Using something like this, I could see GSSF officials having scores tallied throughout the day, and formally posted in record times... If not same day real time leader boards and all that fun stuff.

Many ranges are very remote, so data collection can't rely on a cellular signal, but perhaps a mobile wifi hotspot with a master application running that would query all the different shooting bay's tablets and download all the stats and photos. Something the GSSF officials would carry around and could regularly pull the data.

It would only slow down the scoring of the targets by a few seconds each.

Perhaps the RSOs could record video of the COF and software could imbed a clock for timing purposes... Of course microphone sensitivities might be a difficult issue with some shooting bays so close together.

Perhaps the video is just a backup or a pleasant feature for shooters to download at a later time.

Lots of ideas. I'm a software developer, I just have zero app dev experience... Something like that would take a small team working on the different components.




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That might make scoring a bit slower, but the speed in the squadding process would make up for it!!


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Old 03-25-2013, 16:58   #41
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Hahah.. This got me thinking: all the R&D for the app is a deductible expense... All the ammo shot to test the photos and timing capabilities... All deductible expenses! Range fees, deductible, time spent on the range be sure to "pay" yourself in some accounting manner and its a deductible compensation.






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Old 03-25-2013, 19:10   #42
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All proposed before (by me and others), and tried before apparently to some degree. One reason invoked for why it won't (or didn't) work... TRAINING on how to use the scanners/equipment. Let's face it - many, many GSSF ROs have no idea how to properly use the timers or even change the sensitivity setting on them - a basic task for an effective RO. GSSF (in case you haven't noticed) is not big on training of any kind - and even less "big" at accepting outside help to accomplish that training. Same for an e-commerce sight for registration; been proposed and proof-of-concept developed for Glock/GSSF by one of our GSSF members/shooters. Not accepted!

It's a brick wall out there. I wish it wasn't, but it is! Believe me, 10-20 years is optimistic unless something happens with middle or upper management and Glock dumps more $$$ into GSSF.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:01   #43
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camario, Conyers is not in the list of matches and the G36 is not in the list of guns. One other thing that would be nice is to have the entry number field default to the numeric keypad instead of the alpha keypad.
Regarding missing entries there are two ways to address that in the App:

1. When you hit the pop-up button and the list comes up type in the new entry at the top (in the gray area) and then click the Add button. You can also delete unused entries in the popup-tables with the standard swipe in the cell and click Delete.

2. Even easier is to manually type the entry into the field (like the Match Location) and then the App will automatically add it to the list for next time.

Thanks for for the suggestions.

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THIS! Oh and that blank button in the bottom left where the * would be on a cellphone. Make that a tab key so you can cycle through the cells easier for us sausage fingers.
Great idea. Thanks.
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Got all mine and my son's matches entered over the weekend and I really like the reports and graphs. My one thing to add would be placement in youth categories for my son. His overall rank is not always so good, but he seems to compete fairly well against his own age group. Seniors and ladies might want to see this as well.
You can create a separate User for your son and then when you enter the placements use his placement in the Youth category.

I could add a Category field to the User Setup but I'm not sure what you would do with that data after that. Could you further explain your thoughts there?

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Old 03-26-2013, 09:28   #46
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Thanks again for all your positive comments and suggestions. I'm very happy that others find GSSFBase useful. I do have 2 further suggestions for you folks:

1. Check out the User Guide if you haven't already. It's the Trail Map icon in the top left corner. Hopefully you'll find some gems in there.

2. Don't forget to Export your database from time to time using the Utility View (Platters Icon in the lower-right). You don't want to have some unforeseen event cause you to have to enter all that data again.

Thanks again.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:30   #47
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You can create a separate User for your son and then when you enter the placements use his placement in the Youth category.

I could add a Category field to the User Setup but I'm not sure what you would do with that data after that. Could you further explain your thoughts there?

Thanks
My thoughts were to add a new field on the class screen that would show category placement. shooter enters an abreviation for their category maybe JM=Junior Male, JF=Junior Female, SS=Super Senior, etc. and then there placement (5 out of 25) or whatever. (I know that the shooter would have to determine on their own how many shot in their category, but this is easy enough from the results.

Once this is complete it would show on the class detail screen as a new column next to Placement as maybe category placement. Something so these shooters can see how they stack up within their category as well as overall.
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Old 03-26-2013, 13:31   #48
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I have a Droid so can't see this app and do not know how the app nomenclature is listed, but (in spite of what people on GT call them), GSSF Rules say:

Divisions are Civilian/Guardian/Master Stock, Subcompact, Heavy Metal, Unlimited, etc. (8 of them)
Special Category (Awards) are High Guardian Female, High Senior, High Super Senior, High Junior, etc. (9 of them)

There is no "Youth" category- there is a "Junior".

There are Master "Class" shooters and by extrension... "Amateur" class shooters. Those are the only "Classes".

This may all be referenced in the Rules - Sec 170-190.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:13   #49
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I just bought it to support a fellow GT'er who obviously has his peers in mind.

Ill give it a go, I only have shot one outdoor event, but hope to participate more in the coming years.

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Old 03-30-2013, 07:50   #50
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I've downloaded the app and played with it a bit. It looks like it will work great! But at this point, I have not yet shot a GSSF event. So a question:

Is this app meant to be used on-site at the event? Is there even time during an event to enter your results? Or is this app meant more as a long-term record-keeping app that you fill in after the event in the comfort of your home?

Also, a pie-in-the-sky request/suggestion: I use (as many here probably do) an app called "Gun Log" to keep track of my guns, ammo, practice sessions, etc. This app has a database of all the ammo I own. Would there be a way for this GSSF app to tie into the ammo database of Gun Log? That way, all my ammo is tracked in one place. I don't have to enter the brands/types/quantities in two places.

Just a thought!
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