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Old 03-20-2013, 12:27   #51
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A lot of people move out into "the country" because they "love nature". And when "nature happens" they get bent out of shape because it isn't always like Bambi, Thumper and Rosebud frolicking in some flower strewn meadow out of a Walt Disney movie...

I feel bad for the dog, but that's the way a whole lot of animals end up every minute of every day.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:38   #52
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A lot of people move out into "the country" because they "love nature". And when "nature happens" they get bent out of shape because it isn't always like Bambi, Thumper and Rosebud frolicking in some flower strewn meadow out of a Walt Disney movie...

I feel bad for the dog, but that's the way a whole lot of animals end up every minute of every day.
+1, but I don't feel for the dog.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:39   #53
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Quit crying like it was your dog. The mountain lion was doing what a mountain lion does. Kill small animals.

The fact that you think talking about a mountain lion doing mountain lion ****, in the mountains, is somehow "hippie babble", shows how far off your liberal-O-meter is.

Acknowledging that people are encoraching on the territory of mountain lions, and creating the encounters, is a typically conservative attitude. IE conservationism.

But keep throwing out the "hippie" card, you might get it right one day. You sound like a typical city-dweller, absolutely certain that how you define conservatism is correct.
Killing a 14 pound dog around homes is what mt lions do? Weird I live in mt lion territory and this is news to me. Ours takedown 75-100 pound dear, are stealthy and rarely seen. So its OK for people to lose pets because "thats nature". All the massively over populated coyotes should be able to hop my fence and take our dogs as well, I mean afterall I moved out to where they live I guess.

I have as much respect for wild animals as anyone being a hunter and fishing my entire life. I guess thats why I am smart enought to realize that when a 140 cat becomes unafraid to hunt around populace, that its an issue that needs to be handled. Is it "nature" when it grabs a toddler on a bicycle? When is it not "nature" anymore? When it effects you and not somebody else?
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Old 03-20-2013, 13:22   #54
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Killing a 14 pound dog around homes is what mt lions do? Weird I live in mt lion territory and this is news to me. Ours takedown 75-100 pound dear, are stealthy and rarely seen. So its OK for people to lose pets because "thats nature". All the massively over populated coyotes should be able to hop my fence and take our dogs as well, I mean afterall I moved out to where they live I guess.

I have as much respect for wild animals as anyone being a hunter and fishing my entire life. I guess thats why I am smart enought to realize that when a 140 cat becomes unafraid to hunt around populace, that its an issue that needs to be handled. Is it "nature" when it grabs a toddler on a bicycle? When is it not "nature" anymore? When it effects you and not somebody else?
As I figured.

I post something, you don't bother to understand what I posted, and you go off on a tangent no one was talking about, and try and throw out the "hippie" card.

No one was disucssing any of this, yet you posted indignantly as if we were.

Get a clue, and keep on topic. If you want to change the topic, do so clearly and plainly.
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Old 03-20-2013, 13:32   #55
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So a mountain lion, living in an area where mountain lions have lived since before people started building homes there, did what a mountain lion does, and got killed for it. That's kinda *******ed up.
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Old 03-20-2013, 13:36   #56
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I do feel bad about the loss of life, both of wiener dog (beloved pet) and wild animal.

But what are we going to do..... nature and mankind (and mankind's associated stuff) does not always play nice and get along.

A very small dog in the woods is called prey. A lapdog in the woods is an accident waiting to happen.

There is no "win" here. The only solace one can take is no human was killed or otherwise injured.

Leaving a "big cat" that has a taste for human possessions and may no longer be afraid of us, is a tragedy waiting happen.

My suggestions:
Believe that in some way the wiener dog saved a life (just as a feinting goat saves more valuable livestock from predators).

Stay out of the woods when walking "prey animals" (bait).

Get a bigger dog, if you are going to venture into real "nature". Get one that can do more than just get stuck in the lions throat.

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Old 03-20-2013, 13:39   #57
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Mountain Lions get a bad rap, mine is as gentle as a flower. All depends on how they are raised.
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Old 03-20-2013, 13:45   #58
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May have surprised me and snatched the dog, but that cat is NOT faster than my bullets. Bout .6 seconds or less from holster to cat. I would rather accidentally shoot my dog in this case than see it eaten. If you are not carrying a gun, your options are limited.
I agree with you, but your anti-gun governor isn't helping any.
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Old 03-20-2013, 13:48   #59
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Yep, and further, celebrating that the mountain lion was put down is even worse. Let's see: it's a non-human, mammalian predator, the numbers of which are dropping every year. I've a great idea: let's kill a few more of them!

I say: whoever decided to trap and kill that lion needs to become the meal for the next one.

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We have about a 350 day-a-year season on them here and still, about once a year one wanders onto the grade school playground. Oh, and during the two-week "break", if you do shoot one, just call F&G and tell them "It snarled at me, I felt I was in danger" and all is cool.
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Old 03-20-2013, 13:49   #60
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Also, tapping two sticks together is a good way to ward off mountain lions...
I also heard a few liberals say " urinating on yourself wards off predators" lol


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Old 03-20-2013, 13:58   #61
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We have about a 350 day-a-year season on them here
Good job. Glad to hear that. And I'm also happy to know how well and thoroughly folks have thought through this for long-term effects on various animal populations. I realize stopping and thinking through things carefully and logically is a stretch, but give it a go.

Also, the "What if/What is" line in your sig is somewhat apropos here. Again, let's see if you can figure out why...

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Old 03-20-2013, 14:16   #62
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Old 03-20-2013, 14:34   #63
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Good job. Glad to hear that. And I'm also happy to know how well and thoroughly folks have thought through this for long-term effects on various animal populations. I realize stopping and thinking through things carefully and logically is a stretch, but give it a go.

Also, the "What if/What is" line in your sig is somewhat apropos here. Again, let's see if you can figure out why...

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Well, we've been wantonly killing them like that since the 1800's around here and there is still no shortage. I think you are in over your head when you try to tell someone clear across the Country about their local eco-system. Just like you probably can't grasp the we can get two, and some years three, bear tags, because you know so much more about our area than the residents and the Department of Fish and Wildlife in our State.
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Old 03-20-2013, 14:43   #64
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I may very well be the last person at a party to get a dirty joke but "Cougar eats a wiener" is too much, even for me.
Apparently the cat swallowed the whole wiener without gagging once....
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Having a weiner dog in cat territory makes about as much sense as carrying an open sack of smashed blueberrys and bird seed on your back in big bear territory.
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Apparently the cat swallowed the whole wiener without gagging once....
Yes, well, cougars are known for that.
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A mountain lion......in the mountains.

Doing mountain lion stuff.

I'm struggling to get my heart rate up over this.
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Old 03-20-2013, 15:41   #68
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Understandable, but a citizen would likely be cited for shooting the lion to protect property (the pet), whereas the wildlife officer can do so in his discretion and under the law.
In Colorado it's completely legal to shoot a mountain lion if you simply yell, "By God! It's coming right for us!!" before you shoot. I saw this on TV.
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Just like you probably can't grasp the we can get two, and some years three, bear tags, because you know so much more about our area than the residents and the Department of Fish and Wildlife in our State.
Keep up with that short-term vision and view of things. It'll serve us all very well in the long run, I'm sure.

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I figure that if a mountain lion is close enough for me to shoot with a handgun, it's justifiable self defense. What's the 21' rule for a lion?
Good point. I would think at that point one would be fearing for ones life... not just the dogs. They bring the charges, one then brings the defense lawyers. Heck I worked with retired state troopers who told me that the first they do when they have to shoot a perp is they call their defense lawyer and union rep.
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Old 03-20-2013, 16:02   #71
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Keep up with that short-term vision and view of things. It'll serve us all very well in the long run, I'm sure.

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Keep ignoring the FACT that we have been doing it this way for over 150 years here. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have the same view as someone in an inner city apartment that can't understand why someone might need a rifle like a 7mm mag because you are the one with the narrow view of the world.

I will repeat, and type slowly for you. We have been killing Cougars on sight for 150 years around here and we still find them prowling on the school yard and within yards of our homes. So exactly what "Long run" are you talking about?

You are like somebody in Kansas telling us how many clams we should be able to dig at the beach here---no semblance of a clue.

while you are at it, sing me a chorus of "This land is your land" by the Socialist songwriter Woodie Guthrie.
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There's a very twisted Gary Larson cartoon somewhere in all this.

Mountain Lions that move down into the 'burbs" and start chasing dogs and sheep and kids instead of deer are usually older cats with bad teeth who no longer have what it takes to bring down a deer or their more normal meals. They are universally very elusive creatures and go out of their way to avoid humans. But when old age and their health catches up they head to easier meals and that means domestic livestock, dogs, and sometimes even people. WHen I lived in El Paso there was a lion event about every other year where an old cat made his way down the the mountains and decided that Labrador Retriver tasted better than Venison. When they put down the cat about 100% of the time they find its old and infirm. But bottom line is--man is part of nature--come into man's territory and kill man's animals and you risk death at the hands of man....its all VERY natural from my view.

In other news--its no longer Caturday and not all is well in Kittyland.
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May have surprised me and snatched the dog, but that cat is NOT faster than my bullets. Bout .6 seconds or less from holster to cat. I would rather accidentally shoot my dog in this case than see it eaten. If you are not carrying a gun, your options are limited.

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Keep up with that short-term vision and view of things. It'll serve us all very well in the long run, I'm sure.

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If you think that's a short term vision you are wrong.

Modern game management has resulted in record populations of deer, wild turkey, bear and other animals. Literally there are more deer in this country now than when the Pilgrims landed.

Furthermore, sportsmen are the ONLY people who fund wildlife management and enforcement. If you don't buy a hunting license NOTHING gets done.

You arguments are based on emotions and ignorance. If you really want to know the science and history of wildlife management and conservation in this country you need to do some reading and educate yourself. Read up about Teddy Rooseveldt.

Its a fact that African Elephants are plentiful and growing in numbers where they are hunted for sport and represent serious tourist dollars and trophey fees that make them economically important. Yet elephants are in serious decline in the countries where they are fully protected from any hunting and are nothing more than a source of bush meat for poachers and a huge pest for farmers.. That is more than coincidence.
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