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Old 03-16-2013, 17:53   #21
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the old ( but very good ) Federal BPLE is a 115gr +P+ round
Glad I bought some while they were available at $16/box of 50. Not my current 9mm carry round but at times it is and I don't lose any sleep over it.
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Old 03-16-2013, 18:19   #22
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I thought 9mm Nato was basically +P!!!
I have never heard that 9mm Nato is +P+?
That is a common misconception. 9mm NATO falls about halfway between standard pressure and +P.
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Old 03-18-2013, 18:15   #23
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That is a common misconception. 9mm NATO falls about halfway between standard pressure and +P.
So it is +p just a little.
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Old 03-19-2013, 15:39   #24
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Many LE agencies issued +p+ rounds for many years without problems. Its ok in most modern duty firearms.
It didn't really work for us. Early to mid 90's. We had at least two shootings during which the Federal 127+P+JHP's went right through the BG's and didn't stop their threats.

Also, while the guns (Glocks and SIG's mostly) chambers did not experience any problems there were plenty of other problems such as broken take down levers, split rails and broken springs.

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Glad I bought some while they were available at $16/box of 50. Not my current 9mm carry round but at times it is and I don't lose any sleep over it.
I was at the LGS last Wednesday and they had Speer GDHP 124gr.+P for sale...$46.95 a box of 50.

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Old 03-19-2013, 17:14   #25
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+p+

Years ago, when I visited Glock HQ's here in Ga., they were shooting hot Hirtenberger ammunition.

I was told the Glock 17 was engineered, to handle NATO pressures and then some.

I was told Mr. Glock himself, wasn't happy with then then, "all-the-rage" 147gr. 9mm's. Not hot enough to his liking, and at the time, about the only thing that they had seen stop a Glock from running 100%.

Dekalb Co., Ga. PD, went from S&W .45 Colt revolvers, with 225gr. LHP's, to Beretta 92's, with Federal 115gr. +P+ (9bple) hollowpoints.

In their shootings, they weren't too pleased with the bigbore's terminal performance. I guess they thought the big .45 would hurl the bad guys seven-feet, or spin them into the ground like a corkscrew. You know... like on Gunsmoke!

FYI-Dekalb kept that gun and load for well-over two decades. The street results were amazingly good; far better than the .45 Colt. Also, after all the use of the +P+ ammunition, I never heard of a prob with the 92's.

And I certainly believe a Glock 9mm, is as strong or stronger than a Beretta.
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Picked up 100 9mm rounds of Buffalo Bore 124gr +p+
Going to give it a try.

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Old 03-19-2013, 22:02   #27
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It didn't really work for us. Early to mid 90's. We had at least two shootings during which the Federal 127+P+JHP's went right through the BG's and didn't stop their threats...

Win. makes 127 gr. +p+. Fed. makes a 124 gr. +p+ Hydra Shok that is next to worthless and barely breaks 1,100 fps if that. I'd wager it was the latter as the former has an excellent Street Cred.
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I was at the LGS last Wednesday and they had Speer GDHP 124gr.+P for sale...$46.95 a box of 50.

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In the current ammo drought I'm actually surprised the gun shop was selling a 50-round box of GDHP at that price. I read that premium ammo prices are outrageous on Gunbroker, but for those who are desperate they're willing to pay through the nose.
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Win. makes 127 gr. +p+. Fed. makes a 124 gr. +p+ Hydra Shok that is next to worthless and barely breaks 1,100 fps if that. I'd wager it was the latter as the former has an excellent Street Cred.
Check out the discussion on another thread:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...1477472&page=2
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Old 03-19-2013, 23:48   #30
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Check out the discussion on another thread:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...1477472&page=2

Sorry, I don't take CCW advice from the dentist from AR15.com. All he does is shoot gel and I can get that from here:

http://le.atk.com/resources/videos.aspx
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At a gun show in Concord NH a year and a half ago I got a 50rd box of 9BPLE for $20.00.
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Sorry, I don't take CCW advice from the dentist from AR15.com. All he does is shoot gel and I can get that from here:

http://le.atk.com/resources/videos.aspx
I don't recommend dismissing expert advice on something as important as this, but that's your call... Here are DocGKR's credentials:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf
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I don't recommend dismissing expert advice on something as important as this, but that's your call... Here are DocGKR's credentials:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf

You're late to the Ball, Sweetheart. He's a dentist and a shill for Fackler. This has been discussed here a million times.

Search function is your friend.
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You're late to the Ball, Sweetheart. He's a dentist and a shill for Fackler. This has been discussed here a million times.

Search function is your friend.
Just trying to be helpful. You might want to use search to check on your info as well.
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At a gun show in Concord NH a year and a half ago I got a 50rd box of 9BPLE for $20.00.
This year the price will likely be $50!
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