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Old 03-07-2013, 18:03   #76
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:12   #77
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Oh please. I was stationed in Korea and worked in the target flight. The OPLAN would take much longer than 2 hours just to start.
Not trying to be argumentative, but I THINK what he is saying is that when strategic assets are on alert, they can very well be wheels up in ten minutes or so.
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:15   #78
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The fool thinks he wins because he saw the 2012 Red Dawn...

But, we have too many fools in leadership, and they are a very creative crafty and persistent lot... If enough wack job US haters try long enough, someone may get lucky...

Maybe they just want our Big Macs! people are starving over there.

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Maybe this is what some of our leaders actually want???
No, wait!!!

They have all those AK47s with big 30 and 40 rnd magazines! The horror!
Mean nasty killers.
But wait! They can't bring their assault rifles over here! We're saved after all!!!
It'll be against the law!!!!!

Regardless, it still stands true, "Peace through superior firepower!" (the old fashioned way!)
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:19   #79
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Oh please. I was stationed in Korea and worked in the target flight. The OPLAN would take much longer than 2 hours just to start.
Have you ever worked the Alert Ramp..when the MSRO has been ratcheted up?
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:22   #80
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:41   #81
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The sad part is that I'm not convinced Obama would respond with nukes.
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Old 03-07-2013, 19:05   #82
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The sad part is that I'm not convinced Obama would respond with nukes.

Well of course he would. Never pass up a chance for a fund raiser.

The thing to remember is unstable people do unstable things and aren't very predictable.
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Old 03-07-2013, 19:11   #83
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So...two hours would break down to laughing about sucker punching the US for about...twenty minutes or so...before NATO starts pounding his country to dust, another ten minutes of mania before NATO pulls out, and we hit him with everything we've got (think god-like temper tantrum on an ant colony...), then the last hour and a half or so dying of acute radiation poisoning along with at least half of his country-men (assume we were even -somewhat- particular about what we hit, of course).

Then of course, we would completly rebuild their country for the next twenty years and use up Kerry's fund.
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Old 03-07-2013, 19:14   #84
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Old 03-07-2013, 19:40   #85
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Haven't you guys read "The Mouse That Roared?"

First, NK declares war on the United States. As the first shot is fired, NK gives up and demands war reparations. Every time the US wins a war, the loser is paid in cash! So they just want theirs!
Already cited that reference.
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Old 03-07-2013, 19:59   #86
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EMP? It could be lights out for all of us for a very long time?


I would think that is the real danger since we are discounting their equipments ability to strike much of our country.


NO! Do not drink the flavor-aid. Most modern electronics are protected through the ground cable and built in Faraday cages inside the devices. While it is intended to protect your stuff from the truly incredible amount of radio waves and the relatively low power EMP from randomly exploding transformers in your zip code, it will also protect from a nuclear EMP. Power may go down for a while, but most of your stuff will still work. Your computers metal case is grounded, there are cages inside your plasma screen on the circuit boards, that's what they are for. If you have incandescent light bulbs, they will probably burn out, my vintage Speak&Spell, plug in 2-prong transformers and early digital electronic fuel-injected vehicles probably won't work, but that's about it.

While in the 70's, 80's and 90's EMP was a huge risk, nowadays most things are protected.
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Old 03-07-2013, 20:03   #87
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lolz

I'm more worried about walking out my door & being viciously attacked by a flock of bluejays than I am a NK strike.

That little attention-craving man can kick rocks.
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Old 03-07-2013, 20:12   #88
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I'd say they are the most likely to have the will (they're crazy) and the ability (they're Koreans) to actually hit us with a nuclear missile.

Our other threats would have to strap a small nuke to a donkey and control is with a suicide bomber and an old light switch taped to the firing mechanism and it probably wouldn't work.
I think the scary part is just knowing for a fact they are freaking crazy.

Could they? maybe, maybe not.

Would they? maybe, maybe not, but they are at the very least talking about it, and that makes them crazier than everyone else I know of.
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Old 03-07-2013, 20:25   #89
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More saber rattling.
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Not trying to be argumentative, but I THINK what he is saying is that when strategic assets are on alert, they can very well be wheels up in ten minutes or so.
Yes, assuming they are on alert and have received the go order. Do you really think the President can get his act together in less than several hours and give the orders?
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Old 03-07-2013, 20:59   #91
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Have you ever worked the Alert Ramp..when the MSRO has been ratcheted up?
Assuming they were on alert and had orders, they could get off quickly. But thats a set of assumptions we did not and do not make in targeting. The reality is that we will get caught in between alert stages and the President will dither on whether to go or not. It will end up being a cluster initially; it always is.
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Old 03-07-2013, 21:01   #92
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They can't reach 39.739094°N 104.984898°W?
I'll take that one, but I was guessing that coordinate was a lot further east.

This is the one I was guessing.

N 38° 53' 44.808", W 77° 2' 11.4"
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Old 03-07-2013, 21:38   #93
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Is due to a spike at the Korean version of planned parenthood after Rodman left?
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Old 03-07-2013, 21:52   #94
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Yes, assuming they are on alert and have received the go order. Do you really think the President can get his act together in less than several hours and give the orders?
That is a very valid point that I can not disagree with you on. I was just simply stating that IF appropriate measures are taken depending on threat, that it is possible to have an aircraft response time measured in minutes. But as you stated, it requires an order that appropriate measures be taken.

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The sad part is that I'm not convinced Obama would respond with nukes.
This is exactly what I've been thinking about since the start of the thread.

In today's politically correct atmosphere, I really don't see a president, especially a democrat president, dropping a nuke. Too many "innocents". Instead, I would imagine that we'd send in scores of ground troops and suffer massive casualties instead of just turning the whole country into a parking lot for South Korea to pre-stage all of their shiny new Hyundais before they ship them over here.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:05   #96
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I've said it before:
9/11 proved to the world that the US will never ever use nuclear weapons.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:49   #97
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Oh, we can hope. Their missile can only reach the left coast.
My thoughts exactly. Maybe if it hits the S.A. fault, the whole state will slide into the ocean.

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Old 03-08-2013, 09:25   #98
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Assuming they were on alert and had orders, they could get off quickly. But thats a set of assumptions we did not and do not make in targeting. The reality is that we will get caught in between alert stages and the President will dither on whether to go or not. It will end up being a cluster initially; it always is.
I agree with you about the dithering and or initial cluster, it is part of the plan it seems, and have no idea why that is.

However, Alert Area Ramps are ALWAYS, ALWAYS ready to roll no matter what the threat level is. And right now it is even more intense.

What is happening right now:


  1. Security Forces are digging in, and EVERYONE is up.
  2. All civilians are off base, and entry is closed. (thats right all the agimas and audishi's are not going to polish your boots and press your uniforms)
  3. All Mil personnel is restricted to base, nope, no going into town and messing with your yobo, or buying the new chic a juicey.
  4. The alert crews are now prickly, and experiencing pucker factor 10.
  5. The munitions guys are humping it, and armed to the teeth.
  6. The WSA looks like a beehive of angry bees.
  7. All non essential are prepping to bug out, (or already has started) and there are a couple of C-130's or whatever on standby to take these folks to Guam, Osan, Suwan or some other designated spot.


When you are in theater or in CONUS, working with priority resources, it is always treated with the highest level of readiness, with out exception...any one so much as farts in your general direction, every one starts sporting wood and cocked, period.
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Offer them a free steak dinner and I bet 75% of the NK Army would surrender on the spot.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:55   #100
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Oh please. I was stationed in Korea and worked in the target flight. The OPLAN would take much longer than 2 hours just to start.
Really? When I was stationed in Korea (04-05), we practiced shooting our ITOs VERY regularly; IIIRC we had "missles" down range in 30-45 minutes. I'm not sure how much the timing has changed since these assets were moved from where I was at to where they are now, though. This was from a long-range ground platform...
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