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Old 03-01-2013, 19:22   #726
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Not punishing cops. Making a point to the tyrannical governments that employ them. Most rank and file cops support priv gun ownership. The cops have to turn around and say to their employers, hey why so tyrannical? Stop making it hard and get me what i need to do my job!

Cops are also private citizens too so they have a vested interest. After ten years maybe i dont wanna cop no more. Want to open a pizzeria or a garden shop. Why cant i get a full mag? Wtf?
The problem with that theory is that no politician or admin cares what rank and file cops have to say. We (meaning beat cops everywhere) *****, gripe, moan and groan, send emails, write letters and make phone calls daily trying to fix problems big and small. Most fall on deaf ears.


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REGARDING LEO SALES
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Back in 1990, when I was deployed in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as a Marine grunt, some companies prioritized me items for my M16 for shipping that I purchased with my own funds. After getting out and forming Magpul in 1999, I established the same priority policy for Military and Law Enforcement, due to the requirements of their profession.
The same policy has been in place for 13 years now and has never been an issue until a few days ago. I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials. That said, I understand the concerns that some have with Law Enforcement officers getting special treatment while at the same time denouncing second amendment rights to another citizen in the same state.
With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement Officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution – specifically the second and fourteenth amendments – as it applies to all citizens.
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Old 03-01-2013, 22:16   #728
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The problem with that theory is that no politician or admin cares what rank and file cops have to say. We (meaning beat cops everywhere) *****, gripe, moan and groan, send emails, write letters and make phone calls daily trying to fix problems big and small. Most fall on deaf ears.


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Old 03-01-2013, 22:27   #729
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This one is way too easy.

Ill definitely get an infraction for it.


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Old 03-01-2013, 22:33   #730
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This one is way too easy.

Ill definitely get an infraction for it.


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I really don't like that cops are going to feel the repercussions of actions taken by the politicians in their states. It's not fair to them, just like these bans aren't fair to their private citizens.

That being said, I understand that these companies are protesting by one of the only means available to them. At the end of the day, they are simply exerting their 1A rights to stand up for the 2A rights of others.

As cops we all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution as part of our oath. So, even if we don't agree with it we should respect their right to protest.

It sucks that our brothers and sisters in the ban states are caught in the middle.


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As cops we all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution as part of our oath. So, even if we don't agree with it we should respect their right to protest.
The owners are using their Right to protest the governments' actions.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:39   #735
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The policy of these companies who are stopping sales to the ban states are standing up for principle and I applaud them.

For those of you who want to point fingers at them as bad guys, you really need to be blaming the liberal politicians who are supressing the rights of law abiding citizens that have caused all this.
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Talk is cheap. If you're really behind a cause, you have to put some skin in the game.
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The owners are using their Right to protest the governments' actions.
It really is as simple as that...


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This might shatter some of your views of the world, but there are more political factors that a person uses to decide their political affiliation than guns.

Also, just because he supports gun rights does NOT make him a conservative. For example, you said he dropped out of MAIG group. That means he WAS a member at one time. Perhaps he dropped out because - politically - he was catching flak for being a member?

There are more dimensions to politics than any one issue. A Republican who supports same-sex marriage isn't a liberal, and a Democrat that supports CCW isn't a conservative. That's much to narrow of a view of the world.


ETA, my local mayor also just dropped out of MAIG, and he's about as liberal as you can get at the municipal level outside of a major metropolitan area.

The previous mayor, a rino through and through, joined the group, the new one said time and money would be better spent on prevention. The D. has held his ground fighting the unions wanting them to pay more for their health insurance, putting their own funds into retirement instead of taxpayers money, refused to support a new local gay rights initiative, etc. He's a conservative, he just hasn't yet admitted it to himself.
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Old 03-02-2013, 15:19   #739
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The owners are using their Right to protest the governments' actions.
As others use their right to protest the companies actions..

At some point, I wonder if we were better off when the prevailing sentiment was "I disagree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it"...

First Amendment leads me to think the FF had in mind persuasion was the proper response to disagreements, not coercion.

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The owners are using their Right to protest the governments' actions.
Which is why I support them. I don't think any cop is in danger right now over any of this.
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Depends on where you are. In a ban state? Refuse to comply, like Sheriffs around the country have. Refuse to obey the law like the citizens of the ban states have. Refuse to play their little anti-2A game. Stand together and they can't hurt you.

In a state that isn't wrapped up in this crap? Vote with your wallet. Don't patronize them at all. Cancel your hunting trips, your sightseeing trips, your purchases from companies in their borders.

Admittedly, those of us in the non-ban states don't have to put as much skin in the game - finding other places to vacation, hunt, etc. is much less invasive than refusing to obey or enforce laws, but we were also smart enough to not elect politicians who passed this crap in the first place, so I'd say our preventative actions count for a lot.



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Did the officers not enforce, what we consider, an unconstitutional law when they put the heabeus grabus on that former snake eater in ny state? They certainly had the discretion to do so. The former SFer may have had an attitude that rubbed the arresting officer the wrong way, I don't know. But relying on promise of a politician is like not saving for retirement because to play the powerball.
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Which is why I support them. I don't think any cop is in danger right now over any of this.
And it wouldn't be a danger for any on duty police for many years EVEN IF 100% of every supplier on Earth refused to sell to those areas. (an impossibility). Other out of state or federal law enforcement would make sure those guys are going to get what they need on the job.

The danger has been greatly overstated.


The only law enforcement officers inconvenienced will be the guys that have not already stocked up for personal "at home" use. And all they will have to do is look around a little harder for a supplier. They will not have to get rid of, destroy or turn in what they already have. They are much better off than their neighbors.
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The notable names: LaRue Tactical, Olympic Arms, Spike's Tactical, Barrett Firearms, CMMG Inc, SRT Arms, Stoner Arms, Wilson Combat, Magpul
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And it wouldn't be a danger for any on duty police for many years EVEN IF 100% of every supplier on Earth refused to sell to those areas. (an impossibility). Other out of state or federal law enforcement would make sure those guys are going to get what they need on the job.

The danger has been greatly overstated.


The only law enforcement officers inconvenienced will be the guys that have not already stocked up for personal "at home" use. And all they will have to do is look around a little harder for a supplier. They will not have to get rid of, destroy or turn in what they already have. They are much better off than their neighbors.
That is not completely true.
I know of many agencies that do not issue patrol rifles but allow them to be carried, so there are new officers in ban states that won't be able to buy anytime soon.

So to say that they will only be inconvenienced for their home collection would not be true.

I also support the manufacturers doing what they can, I find it completely self serving and two faced by the way, I see no cancellation of federal or military contracts.....
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So how do the supporters of this move by these companies feel about them refusing to sell to cops who are in agencies where their head (Chief/Sheriff) have refused to enforce these laws?

That really doesn't seem right, does it?


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So how do the supporters of this move by these companies feel about them refusing to sell to cops who are in agencies where their head (Chief/Sheriff) have refused to enforce these laws?

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Good point. I haven't heard any firearms companies make that delineation yet.
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And it wouldn't be a danger for any on duty police for many years EVEN IF 100% of every supplier on Earth refused to sell to those areas. (an impossibility). Other out of state or federal law enforcement would make sure those guys are going to get what they need on the job.

The danger has been greatly overstated.


The only law enforcement officers inconvenienced will be the guys that have not already stocked up for personal "at home" use. And all they will have to do is look around a little harder for a supplier. They will not have to get rid of, destroy or turn in what they already have. They are much better off than their neighbors.
The North Hollywood shootout had a major PD that was armed with 9MM and .38's, a few had shotguns in their cars. They faced fully armored badguys with illegal full auto 7.62's that penitrated the officers body armor and cars.

There are many smaller PD's that could get caught in the same situation. Being in Texas, some county deputies know that back up can be 20-40 minutes away, on a ranch, where the bad guys can have anything and everything.

Not everyone has the money to buy their own equipment, not every PD has money buy fancy stuff. If the Military were to have a PD budget, most soldiers would desert and not face the enemy so poorly equiped. But soldiers get close to the best equipment and get to work in the size of hundreds to thousands at a time. That lone deputy, should be as well equiped. The citizens, I could care less as they dont tend to help out that often.
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Good point. I haven't heard any firearms companies make that delineation yet.
I doubt you will.


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