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Old 02-18-2013, 06:45   #26
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I open carry most of the time and most of the time no one notices. I would think a criminal would bre more focused on his main objective and not even notice the gun.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:54   #27
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Better if they clarified Section 46.032 to extend my right to carry in a restaurant, and specifically authorize me to ignore signage that tries to prohibit me from doing so.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:35   #28
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I've no faith that this will pass. Politicians here as about as bad as anywhere else.
Hell, there are knife laws in effect here from the civil war era.
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Personally I've always frowned on open carry due to gun snatches. Most civilian holsters can't take a gun snatch. The holster will fly apart and has no way to keep a determined person from ripping out right out of the holster.

BUT... I now see some wisdom in OC! See there are lots of liberals from other states coming here to TEXAS to take jobs. They bring their liberal ideas and liberal votes with them.

So maybe if someone OCs into the local Stop-n-Rob like Val Kilmer in Tombstone they would see those two ivory handled six shooters and freak out back to their liberal state.

Now wouldn't that be something!

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Old 02-18-2013, 19:49   #30
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Personally I've always frowned on open carry due to gun snatches. Most civilian holsters can't take a gun snatch. The holster will fly apart and has no way to keep a determined person from ripping out right out of the holster.

BUT... I now see some wisdom in OC! See there are lots of liberals from other states coming here to TEXAS to take jobs. They bring their liberal ideas and liberal votes with them.

So maybe if someone OCs into the local Stop-n-Rob like Val Kilmer in Tombstone they would see those two ivory handled six shooters and freak out back to their liberal state.

Now wouldn't that be something!

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A gun snatch is one of those things people like to bring up about OC that they can never cite one instance of it happening. You have to have situational awareness, if you dont know whats going on around you then having a gun will be useless regardless of how you are carrying it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:00   #31
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I open carry most of the time and most of the time no one notices. I would think a criminal would bre more focused on his main objective and not even notice the gun.
Oh people notice alright. They're just scared if they say anything you'll shoot them.

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Old 02-19-2013, 08:04   #32
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While it would be nice to not be as worried about clothing selection, I would probably continue to carry concealed.
How do you dress when you CC? What would change if OC was possible?

The biggest difference for me is the shirt gets tucked in.

When I CC in warm weather I wear banded bottom polo shirts and carry IWB. The shirt bottom rests on my hip level and blouses a bit at the waist breaking up any outline of the grip.

When I OC, the carry is either IWB, or OWB in a retention holster with the shirt tucked in.
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I think open carry would just present retention problems with kids/nuts attempting take guns, and also presents a shoot the guy with the gun first situations.
My granddaughter addressed that this past weekend. She traveled home by bus from college in Northern Virginia. I asked how things were going using the Metro and other public transportation. She said it was fine, that she just walks her "Don't even try messing with me" walk. "When I look like I am capable and confident, they get the idea I will not be a willing victim."

The same applies to gun grabs. If you look like that would be the last thing you'd allow to happen, you win without conflict. If you look unsure, uncommitted, if you look like a victim waiting to be had, then you'll have to fight.

Has it happened? Yep, a few guys have reported grabs. A couple more reported attempts. There is one case in Richmond, Virginia at a BP station where the OCer was killed with his own gun.

I do not believe there is any other report of an OCer being killed as a consequence of OCing.

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You know, I wonder how people who think like you can get through life without handwringing on something like this?

If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you, much like smoking, driving, golfing, motorcycling, whatever. You guys are as bad as DemocRATS.
That, sir, is an inappropriate, unwarranted personal attack.

Had you just said, "If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you," all would be good.

Carrying for self defense requires many very personal decisions. What is good and right for one person may be deadly wrong for another.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:29   #33
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people who are anti open carry keep citing that OCers would be the first target in a robbery... i call BS.... are there any stats to prove this theory?
There are no reports I know of where an OCer was shot during a robbery.

It isn't that it has happened. It is do you want to be the first, and then how to avoid being "the first" while OCing.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:20   #34
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I've no faith that this will pass. Politicians here as about as bad as anywhere else.
Hell, there are knife laws in effect here from the civil war era.
I have faith. Rick Perry has already gone on record against proposed gun bans, as well as stating openly that he believes anyone that has a CHL should be able to carry it anywhere.
He's pro-gun/pro-2A
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There are no reports I know of where an OCer was shot during a robbery.

It isn't that it has happened. It is do you want to be the first, and then how to avoid being "the first" while OCing.
Well the best way is to carry in a leather holster with a thumb break. Also be aware of your surroundings. AND practice, practice, practice.
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A gun snatch is one of those things people like to bring up about OC that they can never cite one instance of it happening. You have to have situational awareness, if you dont know whats going on around you then having a gun will be useless regardless of how you are carrying it.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/te...4b8e4762b.html

Yes there has been a case of it happening.

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Old 02-19-2013, 18:14   #37
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Open Carry

I hope Texas passes that law, the Florida follows.
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Old 02-19-2013, 19:02   #38
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A gun snatch is one of those things people like to bring up about OC that they can never cite one instance of it happening. You have to have situational awareness, if you dont know whats going on around you then having a gun will be useless regardless of how you are carrying it.
True - I wonder just how many snatches of OC handguns happen?
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:08   #39
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Better if they clarified Section 46.032 to extend my right to carry in a restaurant, and specifically authorize me to ignore signage that tries to prohibit me from doing so.
Are you talking about in Florida or in TX?
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I think one of the main benefits of open carry would be to finally show up those safe queens you have been waiting all of your life to show up. 1911's and HP's anyone?
The other one would be the one that makes the more sense to me which would be not worrying about printing and getting into trouble with the ocassional " law ignorant " cop.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:51   #41
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Was in AZ a few months ago for a course and took a lunch break and we walked into a burger joint only to see 7 or 8 folks open carry, wow was is a shocker not only to see it but to see everyone had no problem with it.

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Was in AZ a few months ago for a course and took a lunch break and we walked into a burger joint only to see 7 or 8 folks open carry, wow was is a shocker not only to see it but to see everyone had no problem with it.
AZ has awesome gun laws! I moved here partly because I believe it is a more free state than the one I moved from. That being said, the entire time I have lived here, I have only seen one person OCing. That was in a Sams Club. I really thought I would see more OCing, especailly in the "rural" county that I live in. I don't OC myself, but I do enjoy having the option if I should want to.

I hope Texas passes the OC law. More freedom is NEVER a bad thing.

In reference to someone walking into a 7-11 to rob it and upon seeing the guy in the back of the store OCing, the robber immediately shooting the OCer to quail the threat: I am guessing that most robbers, who walk into a store and saw a man with a gun in the back, would usually walk their behinds right back out of the store and try again at a better time. Just a guess, but I am thinking......
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It is not the robber one is concerned with. Most robbers want money, not gun fights.

BUT, it's the nutjob that needs a gun that concerns me. That and fools who might just try to take ones gun.

Like I posted above, an OC carrier in Arizona did have his gun snatched and he was killed with it.

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It is not the robber one is concerned with. Most robbers want money, not gun fights.

BUT, it's the nutjob that needs a gun that concerns me. That and fools who might just try to take ones gun.

Like I posted above, an OC carrier in Arizona did have his gun snatched and he was killed with it.

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Looks like the story you posted was from Virginia. The details in the story are a little vague as to what went down. It does say the criminal took the gun from the gunowner after a struggle. He shot the gunowner after the gun owner ran after him. Not sure this was strictly an OC gun grab as such.
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There are no reports I know of where an OCer was shot during a robbery.

It isn't that it has happened. It is do you want to be the first, and then how to avoid being "the first" while OCing.
thats 'assuming' (you know what happens when one does that) they're the only person at a specific public place OCing, or CCing for that matter
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AZ has awesome gun laws! I moved here partly because I believe it is a more free state than the one I moved from. That being said, the entire time I have lived here, I have only seen one person OCing. That was in a Sams Club. I really thought I would see more OCing, especailly in the "rural" county that I live in. I don't OC myself, but I do enjoy having the option if I should want to.

I hope Texas passes the OC law. More freedom is NEVER a bad thing.

In reference to someone walking into a 7-11 to rob it and upon seeing the guy in the back of the store OCing, the robber immediately shooting the OCer to quail the threat: I am guessing that most robbers, who walk into a store and saw a man with a gun in the back, would usually walk their behinds right back out of the store and try again at a better time. Just a guess, but I am thinking......
I am looking into moving to AZ in about three years. Right up there by NV.
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Looks like the story you posted was from Virginia. The details in the story are a little vague as to what went down. It does say the criminal took the gun from the gunowner after a struggle. He shot the gunowner after the gun owner ran after him. Not sure this was strictly an OC gun grab as such.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2012/02/17/6127119.htm

Smith, 17, is accused of robbing Tyler of his gun inside the BP station and fatally shooting him about 8:15 p.m. on Nov. 25. Tyler, 48, had a concealed-carry permit but had been wearing the gun in a holster, plainly visible. According to court documents, Smith grabbed the gun from Tyler during a struggle inside the store and shot Tyler in the chest after the victim chased Smith.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/te...a0a2b26ba.html

"Tyler, a customer at the BP station, was killed about 8:15 p.m. Friday, Nov. 25, inside the store. According to court papers, Smith and Hamiel arrived at the BP together on a single scooter and followed Tyler into the store.

Tyler, 48, had a concealed-carry permit, but his handgun was plainly visible that night in his holster, Johnson said.

"The suspects walk in and one immediately reached for Mr. Tyler's gun," Johnson said. Tyler did not draw his weapon.

According to court papers, Smith took Tyler's gun during a struggle and shot Tyler in the chest after the victim chased Smith inside the store. Authorities said they could not confirm that Tyler was killed with his own gun until they get the results of forensics testing. They also are awaiting test results to show whether the gun used to kill Tyler was the one used to shoot Cosby."

So yes he was OC and they did snatch his gun unawares. He chased to get the gun back and was shot dead.

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The problem is that with the current Latino birth rate & illegals flooding the state Texas is predicted to become a bonafide Blue state by 2020.
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Well the best way is to carry in a leather holster with a thumb break. Also be aware of your surroundings. AND practice, practice, practice.
I would put absolutely no faith in a thumb break to prevent a gun snatch.

It will keep the gun in the holster if you are running, jumping, rolling around on the ground, sky diving, swimming, in a car accident, or doing gymnastics, but even a total klutz can figure out how they work without ever putting their hands on one. Generally speaking if you can present the gun quickly from the holster with a minimum of thought and motion, so can someone else.

If I were going to make open carry a habit I would probably buy a level III security holster.

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