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Old 02-18-2013, 14:48   #21
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Buckshot in a rifled barrel:
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The rifled barrel they used was 20.5 inches, and the smooth bore was 28 inches. Of course the shorter barrel is going to have a wider pattern. I'm surprised they thought it was a fair comparison.
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Old 02-18-2013, 14:55   #22
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The rifled barrel they used was 20.5 inches, and the smooth bore was 28 inches. Of course the shorter barrel is going to have a wider pattern. I'm surprised they thought it was a fair comparison.
I couldn't figure out why they bothered.
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Old 02-18-2013, 16:52   #23
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Buckshot is my SHTF round, meaning someone is in my home. A tight pattern at close distance holds more energy to be transferred to the target, to make him DRT and make his buddies the same or gone.

Everyone has their own viewpoint, but at 25 yards, how is that individual a threat? If he is, I have 6 slugs on the buttstock for that engagement.
Depending on how well you shotgun patterns, at 25 yards buckshot may still ruin someone's day. I can knock down a pepper popper with #6 birdshot at 25 yards with my Vang Comp model 500.....
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Old 02-18-2013, 17:54   #24
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Depending on how well you shotgun patterns, at 25 yards buckshot may still ruin someone's day. I can knock down a pepper popper with #6 birdshot at 25 yards with my Vang Comp model 500.....
Depending on the load you can put 4 or 5 pellets in a man at 40-50 yards. Federal's Tactical load with the Flite Control wad is devastating at 40 yards.
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Old 02-18-2013, 18:31   #25
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I couldn't figure out why they bothered.
The only thing I could think of, is to verify the donut pattern from the rifled barrel, like you mentioned earlier.

Maybe it wasn't a comparison of pattern spread, as much as the donut shape. And it DID verify the rifled barrel caused a donut pattern, and the smooth bore didn't.

But it still makes me wonder what the pattern out of a 20" smooth bore would look like. I suspect the pattern would be tighter.

But look at lessons learned:

1. The rifled barrel did indeed cause the buckshot to spread out much more than the smooth barrel.

Gee, a 28" barrel has a tighter pattern than a 20". That's a shocker.
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Old 02-18-2013, 19:13   #26
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Barrel length, in and of itself, should have very little to do with how well it will pattern. The difference in patterns between a 28" barrel and a 20" barrel, given the same choke, would come down to one shot charge having an 8" handicap to the target.
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Old 02-18-2013, 20:03   #27
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I suggest you try some much closer distances, from touching the target to something less than 50 feet, I have seem shotgun used a few times while building clearing and none were more than 25 feet or so. Think about it, most rooms are less than 15x20 feet or so. For home defense you will have a pattern no bigger than a half dollar.
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Old 02-18-2013, 22:58   #28
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I suggest you try some much closer distances, from touching the target to something less than 50 feet, I have seem shotgun used a few times while building clearing and none were more than 25 feet or so. Think about it, most rooms are less than 15x20 feet or so. For home defense you will have a pattern no bigger than a half dollar.
Send me the ammo and will be glad to. I think differences in patterns at less than 25 feet will be marginal at best. This test was in particular to benefit myself and my situation with my gun and brands of ammo that I buy to know the capabilities of my gun. On that note, I will be testing out to 25 yards and maybe longer because again I like knowing what any of my guns can do with as many variables as I can throw in there--plus it's my ammo, I'll shoot what I want. The more datapoints, the better. Whether I post those results are yet to be determined.

On another note, if anyone owns a shotgun, they should have already done this and have their own datapoints and shouldn't rely on the Internet to suggest how their gun might perform.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:46   #29
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While I am all for testing loads, considering any shot pattern in the home ( inside say thirty get max inside the house) is going to be only a few inches in diameter it is not going to matter much except to confirm poa. My standard load is pretty much one round of birdshot up first ( a little less lethal if you only need one to run the bad guy off) then buck the rest of the tube. Side saddle has four more buck, one bird (may need to put down a rabid raccoon up close- lots of them around my house) and one slug
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Depending on the load you can put 4 or 5 pellets in a man at 40-50 yards. Federal's Tactical load with the Flite Control wad is devastating at 40 yards.
But it is hard for me to find Flite Control with the ammunition crunch on. so usually I settle for Sellier and Bellot 00 buck in the 25 round box. Then I have to rely on my barrel to do the flight control for me.
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Old 02-19-2013, 18:42   #31
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No need to spend big money on your HD load. I keep cheap Federal Power Shock #4 27 pellet buck in my HD gun.

I do carry Federal Flite-Control OO buck in my patrol shotgun though.
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