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Old 02-19-2013, 14:57   #1
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Question for me Breathern

My fellow LEO's, without getting into the political stuff that is transpiring at my Dept. A question has been raised as to our going back to hats and ties. Ties for everyone in a long sleeve shirt and or a short sleeve shirt when a jacket is worn. Hats for Supervisors at all times. We are located in the great state of Va. where the humidity has been known to get a little rough and the temp has been known to set a few records. We are a Dept of about 700-800 depending on the day. our uniform for patrol is 100% poly DARK BLUE with vests required for everyone Sgt and under to wear under their uniform. I am interesed in the uniforms of dept's around the country. I am looking for Depts that allow a more relaxed uniform for patrol NOT anything for Special units, IE bikes boats traffic sorry guys just looking for patrol. If you do not want to put it on the board PM me with the info... thanks for your help. We are trying to bring us into the modern age.. dont say it I know that would be progressive thinking and that is a dangerious thing to do in LE... thanks BULLRUNN
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:17   #2
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No special uniforms here for patrol, Capts and above have to wear ties with long sleeve shirts. We are mandated to all wear long sleeves during daylight savings time.
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:28   #3
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For Staff Sergeants, Sergeants, and Constables we wear a dark blue uniform (long sleeve or short sleeve, we wear what we want) with no ties. For regular uniform the only hat we are allowed to wear is the forage cap. Certain units like Emergency Response Team, Collision Investigation, Marine Unit, Forensic Identification, Traffic, Dog Squad, Crowd Control Unit, etc can wear special uniforms and depending on the unit can wear the issued baseball cap. Operational members must wear a vest (external vests are optional).

We are issued gore tex jackets with hoods and I would rather wear a hood in the rain over that stupid bus driver hat....

Inspectors and above (white shirts) wear a dark blue uniform if they are operational. Otherwise their uniform is a white shirt (long or short depending on time of year), tie, and dress uniform pants.
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:35   #4
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The tie can be annoying until you get used to it. I'm not quite on the band wagon of BDU's or a K-9/polo shirt type uniform as I don't find the class A's to be uncomfortable. I don't see them changing anything too soon though. 700-800 people that already have class A's...it would take a lot of coin to switch everyone over.
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:41   #5
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A question has been raised as to our going back to hats and ties
How stupid, but you already knew that. Elbeco makes some good "soft" shirts for a uniform. Combine that with some 5.11 type pants or patrol pants with cargo pockets and you'll be good to go. Hats, ties & shiny stuff need to stay in court or special functions.
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:45   #6
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If you saw the fancy outfit we wear (CT State Police) everyday you would faint. Class B's look like everybody else's Class A. Thankfully I do truck safety so I get BDU's.
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The sooner all of the prancing fancylads who mandate Class As for patrol retire, the better.
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:57   #8
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Our standard patrol uniform is jumpsuits. Our other is 5.11 class Bs. We don't even have a Class A uniform.
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Old 02-19-2013, 16:01   #9
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For as old school my dept gets about uniforms, we were short sleeves 1/2 the yr (no ties) and when in long sleeves, I can wear a turtle neck in lieu of a tie for patrol work. If I go to court, meetings etc... I need to put the tie on.
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Old 02-19-2013, 16:14   #10
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Per their SOP on their website ( http://www.louisvilleky.gov/NR/rdonl...able021013.pdf ), Louisville Metro Police authorizes three different uniforms for patrol: Class As, Class Bs (5.11 Taclite PDU uniform, with everything sewn on), and Class Cs (BDU shorts and a gray polo, patches and badge patch sewn on, "METRO POLICE" in big letters on the back). Any can be worn at the descretion of the officer.
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Old 02-19-2013, 16:34   #11
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Right now we wear dark blue polos and 5.11 pants. But we are going to class a shirts with external vest carriers. So we'll see how things go here.

Luckily no ties here. Those should be saved for memorials and funerals.

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Long and short sleeve navy class B button downs, turtle necks (or ties) in the winter, no tie in the summer, cargo style pants if we want, and the option of an external vest carrier.
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Old 02-19-2013, 17:42   #13
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I can only hope that all LEO agency's powers that be are only thinking of their uniformed officers uniforms and equipment in the highest regard for effectiveness, officer safety, comfort, tactical issues, officer presence and so on. If your uniform causes you to not be able to perform your duties to the highest levels of safety and effectiveness, it is highly important to address these issues.

If your uniform is too dressy or too restrictive, keeping you from changing a flat tire, wrestling with a scumbag, trekking off through mud and/or thick stickery brush, crawling around in the back of a semi-trailer during an inspection, etc., start thinking of a new uniform. As you know, that's what we do on a regular basis on patrol. I love traditional looking dress uniforms, but common sense and practicality needs to be taken in to account.

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common sense and practicality needs to be taken in to account.
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Old 02-19-2013, 18:22   #15
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I'm all bout class A uniforms, but any hat other than a ballcap SUCK!

Class A mandatory for day shift. We can wear a mock turtle neck with long sleeves instead of a tie.

Class B optional for night shift, training, and range. I rarely wear them preferring the class A.
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Old 02-19-2013, 20:56   #16
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Pretty strict here. Class A for patrol with high gloss gear. November - February we're long sleeves and ties. October and March are optional. April - September are short sleeve only. BDUs are authorized for wear on nights.

I'm not a huge fan of the tie(would rather wear a turtle neck), but overall I like the class A uniform. I've worn various BDU and tactical stuff and personally I find the class A the most comfortable. I would like to give 5.11's "class a" PDU a try but that's a no go here. I'll never do the polo shirt look unless forced.


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Pretty strict here. Class A for patrol with high gloss gear. November - February we're long sleeves and ties. October and March are optional. April - September are short sleeve only. BDUs are authorized for wear on nights.

I'm not a huge fan of the tie(would rather wear a turtle neck), but overall I like the class A uniform. I've worn various BDU and tactical stuff and personally I find the class A the most comfortable. I would like to give 5.11's "class a" PDU a try but that's a no go here. I'll never do the polo shirt look unless forced.


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Ties get in the way writing out citations and always seem to get crooked or come unclipped on the seatbelt getting in and out. Not practical for a working patrol guy.
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The sooner all of the prancing fancylads who mandate Class As for patrol retire, the better.
Here here.

Never heard of any type of uniform being mandated for anything, other than that we are "asked" to wear Class A for funerals, graduations and some official functions like swearing in ceremonies which most do comply with. However, I have seen more than my share of people who show up to formal events in short sleeves and nylon gear too.
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Old 02-20-2013, 00:29   #19
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We have a common sense policy that one of the Sergeants described as "do what your mom taught you"...if it's cold, dress for the weather, if it's warm, dress for the weather. Sleeve length is officer's choice, turtleneck or tie is OPTIONAL with longsleeves (optional as in you can go plain 'ol open collar with a t-shirt if you want). Pretty relaxed.
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:31   #20
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I am one of those officers who prefers the Class A uniform. We have some "relaxed" options at my department, but I choose to wear the long sleeve shirt with tie and under vest in cold weather. I find I carry myself with more confidence when I look very sharp. People notice.

As for "functionality," I sometimes think officers hope that a relaxed uniform will make up for being in poor shape. In my shirt and tie, I was able to scale a 10 foot fence and climb down a sign on the interstate to pull down a jumper. In my high gloss oxfords I was able to run down a guy in a foot pursuit. I've never felt that this uniform has kept me from work. If anything, I'd think cargo pants full of "stuff" with a bunch of Molle gear on a tac vest would create more problems than a tie.

I do agree that the vest under the shirt gets really freaking hot in the summer. But the external carrier gets hot too... The only benefit is that you can take it off at the station. I see too many guys taking it off in the car, at lunch, etc., which I don't agree with. Never in public.
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