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Old 02-16-2013, 14:02   #51
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I have a gen 3 G17 and I shoot 115gr FMJRN reloads - no BTF at all.
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Old 02-16-2013, 15:51   #52
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I recently got my G17 gen 4 back from Glock because of a BTF issue. They didn't fix it, and said I need to be shooting 124 grain ammo.

"The gen4 Glocks are made to be a military pistol and are built to handle a higher pressure load. The reason you are getting BTF is because you are shooting Winchester 115 grain." (Of which I have a bulk pack of 1000 of...)

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I think you could say this about all 9mm's the 124 grain high pressure Euro load is the envelop around which they were all designed. I have not had issues with shooting lighter or heavier rounds - but to be completely squared away, selecting a 124 or 127 +p+ round is likely to be a smidgen more reliable than other selections... which is to say a 45acp is best fed a diet of 230 grain ammo vs 165/185etc..to be a self confessed hypocrite..., my P7 - with me now is holding BLP 115 +P+... never had a failure with this HP design over several cases of ammo in several different 9mm's... my guess is that Gen 4's are more sensitive to limp wristing than the earlier designs...
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Old 02-16-2013, 17:01   #53
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Again, I had a very experienced Glock shooter shoot a few magazines through it and the EXACT same thing happened.

And then I shot HIS Glock and it DIDN'T happen. So limp wristing is out.

Jesus.


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Old 02-16-2013, 17:15   #54
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I feel for you. Please check out my thread and how I cured my BTF. With pictures.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1450148
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Old 02-16-2013, 17:23   #55
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That's a bunch of BS. There are too many other guns out there that are as good and better than a Glock to have to put up with that crap. Sell it and buy something from a company that stands behind their product.

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Old 02-16-2013, 19:25   #56
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While I know the brass to the face is a problem I cant say I blame the employee for saying "use better ammo" after all if they shot 4 full mags through it and didn't have a problem then exactly what were they supposed to fix? From their point of view there are a lot of people out there that will read something on the internet and all of the sudden they have a problem. I'm not saying the OP falls into this category, but none-the-less there are a ton of people out there that are that way. This is why I usually go the fix-it-yourself route. I am the one that sees the problem, and I know how bad it is. I put a White Sound H.E.R.D. extractor spring and a factory nondipped LCI extractor. That combination seems to have taken care of my problems with the wife's G19g4. After reading some of the advise posted here I took it upon myself to fix the issue. I prefer to work on the problem myself to trying to explain an intermittent problem to some guy that's just trying to satisfy as many customers as possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
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Old 02-16-2013, 19:29   #57
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While I know the brass to the face is a problem I cant say I blame the employee for saying "use better ammo" after all if they shot 4 full mags through it and didn't have a problem then exactly what were they supposed to fix? From their point of view there are a lot of people out there that will read something on the internet and all of the sudden they have a problem. I'm not saying the OP falls into this category, but none-the-less there are a ton of people out there that are that way. This is why I usually go the fix-it-yourself route. I am the one that sees the problem, and I know how bad it is. I put a White Sound H.E.R.D. extractor spring and a factory nondipped LCI extractor. That combination seems to have taken care of my problems with the wife's G19g4. After reading some of the advise posted here I took it upon myself to fix the issue. I prefer to work on the problem myself to trying to explain an intermittent problem to some guy that's just trying to satisfy as many customers as possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
Thanks for the info. I would like to take the same route. But, this is my first firearm. I don't know if I feel comfortable modifying it myself. That's where I run into a wall. Maybe I will try.


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Old 02-16-2013, 19:36   #58
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Well I respect that. I'm a mechanic by trade so I do have some confidence in fixing things myself, but really the Glock is such a simple design you shouldn't have to much problems trying a couple of simple parts swaps. Also it will give you confidence that you can disassemble the entire assembly should the need arise.
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Old 02-16-2013, 22:31   #59
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Trying to figure out where the heck I can get some FMJ 124 gr +p to practice with?
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Old 02-17-2013, 00:40   #60
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Glock employer? Who employs Glock?

Seriously, Winchester USA 115-gr should do fine in any 9mm Glock. Federal Champion 115-gr FMJ is questionably in any new 9mm pistol regardless of make or model.
FAIL. None of the ammo is questionably in my pistols.......


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Old 02-17-2013, 07:03   #61
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It already has the 30274 ejector so either the extractor is out-of-spec or it's the slide, having the effect of the extractor not firmly holding the rim of the spent casing to the breech face. You could try a replacement extractor, a .40 LCI extractor that may need to have the claw filed down for reliable feeding in a 9mm gun, or an Apex extractor that's probably not even worth trying because they're like $70 each. Or you could keep sending it back to Glock until they fix or replace the gun, and insist on a prepaid shipping label every time you send it back.

If the 30274 ejector and a replacement extractor don't fix it, I wouldn't even bother modifying the ejector. You can file the tip of the ejector to give it a more aggressive rearward angle, but if the 30274 ejector isn't enough to fix it you'd probably be wasting your time making the angle even more aggressive.

My Gen3 G27 had the problem, a replacement extractor made a tiny difference but not much. Luckily using the Gen4 .40 28926 ejector fixed it for me, it seems for 9mm owners the problem may be so bad that the 30274 ejector and a replacement extractor won't fix it.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:30   #62
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It already has the 30274 ejector so either the extractor is out-of-spec or it's the slide, having the effect of the extractor not firmly holding the rim of the spent casing to the breech face. You could try a replacement extractor, a .40 LCI extractor that may need to have the claw filed down for reliable feeding in a 9mm gun, or an Apex extractor that's probably not even worth trying because they're like $70 each. Or you could keep sending it back to Glock until they fix or replace the gun, and insist on a prepaid shipping label every time you send it back.

If the 30274 ejector and a replacement extractor don't fix it, I wouldn't even bother modifying the ejector. You can file the tip of the ejector to give it a more aggressive rearward angle, but if the 30274 ejector isn't enough to fix it you'd probably be wasting your time making the angle even more aggressive.

My Gen3 G27 had the problem, a replacement extractor made a tiny difference but not much. Luckily using the Gen4 .40 28926 ejector fixed it for me, it seems for 9mm owners the problem may be so bad that the 30274 ejector and a replacement extractor won't fix it.
It has the 30274. That's what's so weird about it.


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Old 02-17-2013, 10:41   #63
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I have 1000 rounds through a G22 Gen. 4. I have had two BTF's with 180 grain Tula FMJ. I chalk that up to Tula ammo.
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Old 02-18-2013, 21:18   #64
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Check out this vid on limp wristing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=g...&v=H_Uqtz2asE4


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Old 02-18-2013, 22:04   #65
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My G26 & G17- Gen3


Key word gen 3. The gen 4 was specified.... Pfffft.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:23   #66
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Check out this vid on limp wristing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=g...&v=H_Uqtz2asE4


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Thanks for posting he vid. Interesting stuff.

But, again, like I said, I HAD SOMEONE VERY EXPERIENCED IN GSSF COMPETITIONS AND AN EDC GLOCK USER FIRE A FEW MAGAZINES AS WELL, and it happened to him just as much as it happened to me.

This IS NOT a limp wristing issue. I'm not the strongest guy ever, but I'm not weak either. The handgun is being held properly.


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Old 02-19-2013, 05:36   #67
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I have a Gen 4 Glock 19. I have probably 600 rounds through it, and probably 98% of that is 115 grain Federal or WWB picked up at Wal Mart. I have maybe 3 rounds where I got BTF. I also shoot left handed so maybe those would have cleared my right shoulder if I was shooting right handed.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:38   #68
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I've seen voyager4520 in a few threads, and I always pay attention to what he has to say. He really seems to know his way around a Glock.
See if you can get a hold of someone at Glockparts.com. Tell them you want a NON-dipped FACTORY extractor. For around $20 it is worth a shot. If you feel you cant perform the swap yourself then find a gunsmith in your area, but really an extractor swap isnt rocket science, a couple of Youtube vids and you should be good to go.
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