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Old 02-15-2013, 20:31   #26
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I remember the first five years the Sigma was on the market. Many were temperamental out of the box. The same period Glocks were smooth out of the box.

Now Glocks are routinely being squirrely out of.the box.
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Old 02-15-2013, 20:34   #27
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An interesting statement from Glock. Are they backing away from their long-standing statement about Glocks functioning with any commercially available ammo meeting SAAMI specs?
He didn't say it didn't function, he said it he was taking BTF.
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Old 02-15-2013, 20:34   #28
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Well my Glocks will ONLY put a brass case in my face if I let it twist in my hand during recoil so the ejection port is pointed abit toward my face.

I suspect that is what is happening. They need a tighter hold on their gun.

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Old 02-15-2013, 20:43   #29
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He didn't say it didn't function, he said it he was taking BTF.
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Old 02-15-2013, 20:59   #30
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The guns are designed in AUSTRIA.

Ya Know? EUROPE.

Where NATO spec ammo is 124 grain.

Come on.

115grain 9mm ammo exists so American bullet manufacturers can make 11 bullets for the same amount of metal they would need to make 10 124gr bullets. Cheapskates. Nothing magical about 115s. The gun was designed around 124s.

Glock tweaked the springs and ejectors so the Gen4s I have shot, at least, don't BTF.

Just shot a State Steel Challenge Championship with my G34Gen4. Used Atlanta Arms Blue Box 115s (gun was designed for 124s; didn't say I never shot 115s myself. With the current ammo drought I like everyone else will take what I can get when I can get it.)

Functioned flawlessly and no brass in the face.

Are the ones still causing the problems ones that have not received the updated parts?
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Old 02-15-2013, 21:57   #31
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Just some comments from a nerd. I did look up the NATO specs the other day. Got tired of not knowing what they really meant. Very old. Glocks were supposed to be designed to meet NATO specs. So they were originally designed for between 108 and 128 gr bullets. Most rounds used would likely have been 124 gr so I assume this is the sweet spot. The pressure ranges stated however appear to be higher than what I see listed for +P loads. So while 115 gr is well within the NATO spec the pressures and energy of less expensive rounds would be lower than NATO. And since any recoil operated pistol is likely dependent on the bullet weight and the internal pressure to cycle the slide, any change from the sweet spot could change the speed of the slide coming back, which affects how the case is ejected from the gun. And of course you can limp wrist it and add another variable to the equation.

I would also assume that a lighter pistol, such as a polymer Glock (and other makes), might also be more prone to limp wrist problems since the polymer frame has less mass to stabalize the gun. But then again it is really nice to have a light pistol for carry.

As for the popularity of Glocks. Seems like they are very popular at this time since a couple of weeks ago a Glock rep told me they had over 600,000 on backorder. Most larger gun stores, including Gander Mt and two Bass Pro Shops I visited recently had no glocks at all.

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Old 02-16-2013, 00:07   #32
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I have 2 Gen3 G19's. From the start one had BTF problems and the other did not. I have shot everything from 80gr bullets to 147gr bullets and it has made no differences in my pistols ejection patterns.
I call BS!
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Old 02-16-2013, 02:05   #33
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"The gen4 Glocks are made to be a military pistol and are built to handle a higher pressure load".

This is some statement. So after almost 30 years the reason
for BTF is the new Glocks are a military pistol?

Why are they selling to civillians then? They know what ammo we shoot.

And they test fire with aluminum case Blazer. Is that a NATO round?

I call BS.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:37   #34
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I have 2 Gen3 G19's. From the start one had BTF problems and the other did not. I have shot everything from 80gr bullets to 147gr bullets and it has made no differences in my pistols ejection patterns.
I call BS!

That certainly suggests there is some difference between the two guns.
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"The gen4 Glocks are made to be a military pistol and are built to handle a higher pressure load".

This is some statement. So after almost 30 years the reason
for BTF is the new Glocks are a military pistol?

Why are they selling to civillians then? They know what ammo we shoot.

And they test fire with aluminum case Blazer. Is that a NATO round?

I call BS.
My former ammo of choice was Blazer aluminum until it became nearly as expensive as brass. It seemed hotter than your normal 115gr bulk bullet
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:47   #37
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That most apply to Gen 4s only because my Gen 2 G19, that I've owned for 20 years, and my Gen 3 G26 will run anything. Has Glock been taken over by morons?
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:02   #38
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I have 2 Gen3 G19's. From the start one had BTF problems and the other did not. I have shot everything from 80gr bullets to 147gr bullets and it has made no differences in my pistols ejection patterns.
I call BS!
So...what was the solution to the problem?
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:11   #39
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My three Glock 9mm's (17g3/19g4/26g3) all perform great with 115 grain range ammo (mostly Blazer Brass). Thousands of rounds with absolutely no failures or BTF issues.

Sounds strange to me.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:12   #40
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I recently got my G17 gen 4 back from Glock because of a BTF issue. They didn't fix it, and said I need to be shooting 124 grain ammo.

"The gen4 Glocks are made to be a military pistol and are built to handle a higher pressure load. The reason you are getting BTF is because you are shooting Winchester 115 grain." (Of which I have a bulk pack of 1000 of...)

Seriously?


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Old 02-16-2013, 07:54   #41
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Just checked the thread since I posted, sorry for the delay, didn't get off work until 1am.

This is the only wording that was returned with the firearm besides shipping info. That's why I was confused, so I CALLED Glock and they put me through to one of the "armorers".

He asked me for the serial #, pulled up the notes on my account, and said that they test fired 4 magazines through it, fired fine. I already had all the updates parts, so they put a shipping label on it and sent it back.

So that's when I asked him if he had any suggestions, because one if the main reasons I bought a Glock was because many said its the most reliable handgun in the world, and that it will never fail on you.

That's when he said that it should only take 124+ grain ammo.

So I told him thanks for the suggestion, and that was it.

For those who say it is "limp wristing", I will tell you this. This is my first firearm so it could've been possible. So I had my friend fire it who has done GSSF competitions, owns and carries Glocks consistently. He had the EXACT thing happen. Then, I fired his Glock 23 and it did not happen to me. So it can't be that. He was the one that suggested I send it in.

So now I have called a local gunsmith who specializes in Glocks. He said he can modify the ejector for $50 and it'll be perfect. He says he gets the new Glocks all the time brought to him for this same reason. I am debating taking it over there this week.


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Old 02-16-2013, 08:15   #42
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I . The most common handgun i see is rugers and glocks. A fair mix of smiths and a few hk, caracal, fn, 1911 etc.

All of them show issues.

Most common is bad ammo, (read low or inconsistent pressure)

Second is weak shooting skills.


there is range ammo and for real ammo. Ball 9mm is range ammo. Weak ejection is common and who cares. Extraction is fine and shooting is fine.

Shoot the range ammo to polish your skills and learn the gun.

Buy the real $1 a round stuff for self defense.

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Old 02-16-2013, 08:25   #43
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Glock should have gotten ahead of this problem a long time ago. They didn't and still haven't and their reputation is paying a price.
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My Gen 4 G19 has only seen 115 grain ammo of all types. I have not had a BTF yet...
What he said ^^^^

I'd also add that I've been going thru a case of Sellier & Bellot 115gr that ejects like crazy. Listed at 1280FPS, slightly hotter than WW and Federal. Hard to get right now though.

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Old 02-16-2013, 10:21   #45
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I recently purchased a VERY lightly used Gen 4 G 19. I picked up 500 rounds of WWB ammo labeled 124 gr. NATO at the same time. (Had not seen that before BTW).

Anyway, I have had a good number of brass to head hits from it with this ammo. The ejection pattern is also all over the place. It is feeding reliably and the BTH doesn't really bother me, but it is odd. My G21 and XD9 SC never do this.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:39   #46
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Most NATO spec amo is 124gr. that's true enough. But their is a NATO Spec for 115gr. ammo also. If the 124gr. +P ammo thing is true why isn't this reflected in a change in the owners manual saying that only 124gr. +P/NATO spec ammo should be used? Rght now it says SAMI (SAMMI) or NATO spec. Nothing about the other nonsense.

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Ive only had one BTF incident, and that was when my wife fired my G17 for the first time and had a poor grip. Never happened again after that.

All i shoot at the range is 115gr
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Just checked the thread since I posted, sorry for the delay, didn't get off work until 1am.

This is the only wording that was returned with the firearm besides shipping info. That's why I was confused, so I CALLED Glock and they put me through to one of the "armorers".

He asked me for the serial #, pulled up the notes on my account, and said that they test fired 4 magazines through it, fired fine. I already had all the updates parts, so they put a shipping label on it and sent it back.

So that's when I asked him if he had any suggestions, because one if the main reasons I bought a Glock was because many said its the most reliable handgun in the world, and that it will never fail on you.

That's when he said that it should only take 124+ grain ammo.

So I told him thanks for the suggestion, and that was it.

For those who say it is "limp wristing", I will tell you this. This is my first firearm so it could've been possible. So I had my friend fire it who has done GSSF competitions, owns and carries Glocks consistently. He had the EXACT thing happen. Then, I fired his Glock 23 and it did not happen to me. So it can't be that. He was the one that suggested I send it in.

So now I have called a local gunsmith who specializes in Glocks. He said he can modify the ejector for $50 and it'll be perfect. He says he gets the new Glocks all the time brought to him for this same reason. I am debating taking it over there this week.


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Old 02-16-2013, 12:17   #49
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I have a 17 Gen 4 and I couldn't be happier with its performance out of the box. I'm at about 600+ rounds, all cheaper ammo. No issues at all. I am no expert by any means, but I point, squeez, bang, and repeat. No more drama than that, other than actually finding the ammo to shoot. I have just been shooting the cheaper stuff while familiarizing myself with my new/1st Glock. 75% has been 115gr....
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Try shooting it with 124 or higher first to see if the guy at Glock was right about YOUR specific gun. Many can shoot 115 with no issue I know it would suck if your Glock was one that could only shot 124 or higher without BTF issues.

I would do some checking on a gunsmith before giving him my gun. How reputable is he and does he have a money back or warranty or insurance on his work, many places that do work is bring it to us at your own risk. Lets say as an example only he does something like cutting into the frame (which voids factory warranty) to lower where the ejector sits and then you still have the same problem or worse yet. Is he an accredited gunsmith or at least a Glock Armorer. In every occupation there are good and bad workers.

If he claims he's only messing with the ejector make sure he is only messing with the ejector or find out exactly what else he touched in case something else goes wrong. Be careful with magical fix all claims. Someone saying they get new Glocks in all the time and fixes them 100%, is he the only guy in the states that can fix this issue. Either way, I wish you the best and hope your problem gets fixed.

It would suck if you had a lemon/rare unfix able or maybe you offended some person on your block that studies witchcraft cursing your Glock forever.





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