[G27GenFour]

Wow... just heard a report of a local homeowner who heard an intruder in his home at 4:00 a.m., went outside his bedroom, his wife in the bedroom behind him, door closed, and spots the intruder down the hallway. He tells the guy to freeze and the bad guy charges. Homeowner shoots from 20 or so feet away and doesn't know he hit the intruder; intruder keeps charging and covers the ground quickly. They engage in a struggle -- no more shots fired - and the HO regains control of the situation and manages to hold the guy there. Police arrive minutes later and only when they turn the perp over do they realize he's been hit in the abdomen. Homeowner couldn't even believe he'd hit the guy; the intruder apparently showed zero signs of being hit. A .40 caliber gun, by the way.Toxicology reports are not in yet, I hear. Wow.

[imSteve]

I took a tactical handgun class where the instructor once was a military police and indicated he ran into this problem several times with people that was high on pcp. He said 2 rounds in the pelvic region stopped 'em all in their tracks.

I hope I never have to find out if it works.

He had us do drills 2 rounds center mass & 2 rounds pelvic region.

[brboyer]

Not at all surprised.

That's why you keep shooting until the threat stops!

[moonwilson]

Scary stuff. He pulled the trigger once and then waited for the bullet to take effect? Was there something that kept him from shooting the guy a few more times before he closed the distance? Was he shooting FMJ range ammo?

I wouldn't rely on a single .40 cal shot stopping a bad guy. Even if you get him smack dab in the center of the chest he might not stop right away. Even a .44 magnum might not stop somebody if they're crazy enough.

[Bren]

That is the rule, not the exception. If you thought they would fall down and you'd know they were hit, you watch too many movies. I've seen a guy who took a .44 mag through the bone in his leg, pour gasoline on the shooters car, light it and sit down to have a cigarette by the time I got there. Seen a guy shot multiple times with a .30-30 rifle sitting on the ground drinking a beer when I pulled up, but died before he got to the hospital. Another one, shot 8 times with 10mm and .40 S&W, including 2 dead center of the head (forehead and inside corner of eye), still managed to pass the 21-foot gap the police were keeping when he first charged.

[G27GenFour]

Originally Posted by moonwilson

Scary stuff. He pulled the trigger once and then waited for the bullet to take effect? Was there something that kept him from shooting the guy a few more times before he closed the distance? Was he shooting FMJ range ammo?

I wouldn't rely on a single .40 cal shot stopping a bad guy. Even if you get him smack dab in the center of the chest he might not stop right away. Even a .44 magnum might not stop somebody if they're crazy enough.

All those questions are so far unanswered, but I sure hope they tell us more...

[SpringerTGO]

Originally Posted by Bren

That is the rule, not the exception. If you thought they would fall down and you'd know they were hit, you watch too many movies. I've seen a guy who took a .44 mag through the bone in his leg, pour gasoline on the shooters car, light it and sit down to have a cigarette by the time I got there. Seen a guy shot multiple times with a .30-30 rifle sitting on the ground drinking a beer when I pulled up, but died before he got to the hospital. Another one, shot 8 times with 10mm and .40 S&W, including 2 dead center of the head (forehead and inside corner of eye), still managed to pass the 21-foot gap the police were keeping when he first charged.

That's why NY enacted the 7 round rule. You've got to put a limit on how many rounds a civilian can put into an attacker to make it a little more fair.

[OctoberRust]

Originally Posted by SpringerTGO

That's why NY enacted the 7 round rule. You've got to put a limit on how many rounds a civilian can put into an attacker to make it a little more fair.

[fastbolt]

I suspect a fair number of people who aren't privy to the actual results of people sustaining gunshot wounds may tend to have an unrealistic perception of the "effectiveness" of any particular handgun caliber & ammunition combination. Too much exposure to online video gaming, as well as TV & Movie special effects and scripted stunts.

This sort of misplaced confidence in handguns & handgun ammunition might be sometimes distract some owners/users from considering issues such as the handgun shooter being able to act quickly & effectively, using good tactics and shooting skills, as well as developing the mindset necessary for effectively functioning under high stress (mental & physical) conditions.

It's a handgun ...

[poikilotrm]

Originally Posted by brboyer

Not at all surprised.

That's why you keep shooting until the threat stops!

Yep. I train for mag dumps.

[vtducrider]

Originally Posted by Bren

That is the rule, not the exception. If you thought they would fall down and you'd know they were hit, you watch too many movies. I've seen a guy who took a .44 mag through the bone in his leg, pour gasoline on the shooters car, light it and sit down to have a cigarette by the time I got there. Seen a guy shot multiple times with a .30-30 rifle sitting on the ground drinking a beer when I pulled up, but died before he got to the hospital. Another one, shot 8 times with 10mm and .40 S&W, including 2 dead center of the head (forehead and inside corner of eye), still managed to pass the 21-foot gap the police were keeping when he first charged.

That is nuts. Head shot wounds from large caliber rounds, and still keep charging. He was killed on the spot, right?

[GlockinNJ]

Originally Posted by SpringerTGO

That's why NY enacted the 7 round rule. You've got to put a limit on how many rounds a civilian can put into an attacker to make it a little more fair.

That is not even funny.

[Paul53]

Adrenalin is a powerful drug the body dumps into the bloodstream in "fight or flight" scenarios. Does wonders to help survival until the body can't compensate anymore.

Add recreational drugs to the mix and it's a chemistry experiment!

Keep shooting till they drop is wise advice. The majority of GSW patients I've treated had multiple wounds. Aim dead center in the chest, hit the heart, spine ideally, lungs too.

[ithaca_deerslayer]

When I double lung deer, they don't stop for 50 to 100 yards later.

Gee, Cuomo, maybe we need to be legally allowed to have more than 7 bullets to stop a bad guy.

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I joined the NRA, have you yet?

[spcwes]

I have heard some horrible stories including a fella that was shot dozens of times with handguns, once in the neck with a 12g slug and once through the face with 12g slug and stayed on his feet. One of the officers was reported saying "when he turned to face me I could see daylight through his head."

[janice6]

Originally Posted by spcwes

I have heard some horrible stories including a fella that was shot dozens of times with handguns, once in the neck with a 12g slug and once through the face with 12g slug and stayed on his feet. One of the officers was reported saying "when he turned to face me I could see daylight through his head."

This just screams "More rounds available"......Too bad no politicians is listening.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by vtducrider

That is nuts. Head shot wounds from large caliber rounds, and still keep charging. He was killed on the spot, right?

I assume the headshots came last - his skull was mostly crushed. He charged and the officers started backing and shooting - they hit him 8 of 10 shots - and the diagrams showed that by the time hit the ground he had passed where they started shooting. I was their defense attorney when the family sued - I have a complete copy of the investigation, with the hundreds of pictures, statements, diagrams, etc.

[coachrowsey]

Originally Posted by brboyer

Not at all surprised.

That's why you keep shooting until the threat stops!

A BIG +1. This one shot thing is for the movies. Doesn't happen like that (for the most part) in real life. Center mass & shoot till the threat is done.

[RYT 2BER]

These stories are nothing.

I saw a case where an attacker was shot 37 times and it didn't stop him.

He was however shot with 9mm so i guess it's understandable.

[ballfroguy]

000 buck next time, or some federal HTS.

[Orive 8]

Handgun rounds are - ineffective fight stoppers!

Have a plan A, then have plan B ready for when your chosen "magical/one-shot stopper/ultimate defensive round/etc.." does not work as advertised.

My plan A: 2-4 accurate/quick rounds to center mass, if that has not stopped the threat, plan B is a head zone shot.

This of course is subject to change - after all, gunfights do not always go as we plan.

[spcwes]

Originally Posted by Bren

I assume the headshots came last - his skull was mostly crushed. He charged and the officers started backing and shooting - they hit him 8 of 10 shots - and the diagrams showed that by the time hit the ground he had passed where they started shooting. I was their defense attorney when the family sued - I have a complete copy of the investigation, with the hundreds of pictures, statements, diagrams, etc.

In keeping the privacy of your client intact I would love to see Xrays of the shooting. I study terminal ballistics and try to see all I can.

[SevenSixtyTwo]

Forty caliber might sting a little. The only reason for handguns is portability. They don't have stopping power. A 12g is a far better HD firearm.
This link is very graphic but points out the reality of handgun effectiveness. The dead perp had only a trace amount of MJ in his system.

http://catm.com/yabbfiles/Attachment...FBIAcademy.pdf

[green marauder]

After reading this Im starting to think leave the gun(s) in the safe and start carrying my Kukri, its got to be hard to keep attacking with limbs missing or bowls hanging down the front of you


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[DevilDocsGlocks]

Double Tap....Hollow points for In the home defense. Rotate with FMJ for outside the home.