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Old 02-12-2013, 14:58   #21
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O'Reilly has previously said that he only wants felony gun crimes federalized.I think that is what he meant last night.
While he's not completely pro gun,he's certainly not an anti.
He's really improved from his previous positions on the AWB.

As to him supposedly being an east coast elistist,that's just not the case.O'Reilly has lived all over the country,including Texas,Florida,and Wisconsin.He has been around plenty of outdoor conservatives.
I was surrounded by Muslims in college, didn't make me a sympathizer.

He is an elitist. He "improved" his position when he got bombarded over his stupid position a year ago. He hasn't changed his opinion one bit in reality, he has just changed his act for his audience.
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Old 02-12-2013, 15:03   #22
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I was surrounded by Muslims in college, didn't make me a sympathizer.

He is an elitist. He "improved" his position when he got bombarded over his stupid position a year ago. He hasn't changed his opinion one bit in reality, he has just changed his act for his audience.
I think hurricane Katrina honestly changed O'Reilly.
He's said that he think every law abiding citizen should have a gun in their home.There's no way an anti would say something like that.

Is he Chuck Heston?No!
But he's no Sarah Brady,either.
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Old 02-12-2013, 15:07   #23
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O'Reilly has previously said that he only wants felony gun crimes federalized.I think that is what he meant last night.
While he's not completely pro gun,he's certainly not an anti.
He's really improved from his previous positions on the AWB.

As to him supposedly being an east coast elistist,that's just not the case.O'Reilly has lived all over the country,including Texas,Florida,and Wisconsin.He has been around plenty of outdoor conservatives.
The more I think about it, the dumber ^^^^this whole post sounds.

How, with respect to the Constitution do you allow States to have 50 different thresholds of "felony" and make each one of them a "Federal Crime"? How do you do that in respect to Double Jeopardy? How do we wave the Constitution and have the Federal Government enforce State laws? How in the world CAN a State pass change or amend a State law and thereby change a Federal law?

If his time around "outdoor conservatives" had taught him anything, he wouldn't have made the stupid statements he did last year, ergo his time in those regions didn't teach him squat.

AND what has "Outdoor sportsmanship" got to do with the Second Amendment?
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Old 02-12-2013, 15:14   #24
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The more I think about it, the dumber ^^^^this whole post sounds.

How, with respect to the Constitution do you allow States to have 50 different thresholds of "felony" and make each one of them a "Federal Crime"? How do you do that in respect to Double Jeopardy? How do we wave the Constitution and have the Federal Government enforce State laws? How in the world CAN a State pass change or amend a State law and thereby change a Federal law?

If his time around "outdoor conservatives" had taught him anything, he wouldn't have made the stupid statements he did last year, ergo his time in those regions didn't teach him squat.

AND what has "Outdoor sportsmanship" got to do with the Second Amendment?
I've been a religious watcher of O'Reilly since I was 16,I'm 30 now.He has never been completely anti-gun and it takes time to gradually improve.
Hurricane Katrina was in 2005,he started his change then,but even all the way back in 2000 he said that Rosie and the Million Mom March was being too extreme.
So I think that shows that his time around gun owners in Texas might have rubbed off a little.
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Old 02-12-2013, 17:55   #25
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One other thing registration will lead to besides confiscation. Taxation. Don't be surprised if registration leads to a permit which will lead to annual renewals, all at a charge of course.
Then there is the charge they will add on just to register a weapon.
Even in Utah, where CCW's are pretty easy to come by, there is a 5 year renewal process and fee.
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Old 02-12-2013, 18:32   #26
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Didn't see it don't know what was said but I have a question based on the OPs recollection of "O"s statement. What makes a crime that is commented using a gun deserve a higher standard of punishable than the same crime committed with a knife, brick, bat, bottle, rock or a wet noodle?
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Didn't see it don't know what was said but I have a question based on the OPs recollection of "O"s statement. What makes a crime that is commented using a gun deserve a higher standard of punishable than the same crime committed with a knife, brick, bat, bottle, rock or a wet noodle?
Bill "you suckers think I am a conservative" O'Reilly does not care, he just wants a stage to preen and preach.
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Old 02-12-2013, 20:08   #28
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Bill "you suckers think I am a conservative" O'Reilly does not care, he just wants a stage to preen and preach.
Exactly.
He is a former school teacher and T.V. reporter, generally two of the most liberal professions around and almost impossible to do BOTH without being liberal.

He got fired from a liberal network and decided to spin it to his advantage by claiming it was because of his "conservatism" so it opened a new direction for him to take his act, for more money.
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Old 02-12-2013, 21:51   #29
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Didn't see it don't know what was said but I have a question based on the OPs recollection of "O"s statement. What makes a crime that is commented using a gun deserve a higher standard of punishable than the same crime committed with a knife, brick, bat, bottle, rock or a wet noodle?

How about a murder this is a bias-motivated crime such as race hate (or as it is now called, a “hate crime”). What makes that type of murder (hate crime) deserve a higher standard of punishable than the a murder committed because the murder loved the victim too much.

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Old 02-12-2013, 22:05   #30
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One other thing registration will lead to besides confiscation. Taxation. Don't be surprised if registration leads to a permit which will lead to annual renewals, all at a charge of course.
Then there is the charge they will add on just to register a weapon.
Even in Utah, where CCW's are pretty easy to come by, there is a 5 year renewal process and fee.
Yes
Little by little make the process lengthy and expensive enough to be out of reach for the average person. Want to keep your guns but cant afford all the fees? Now you're a felon. So much opportunity for abuse.

To tax is the power to destroy.
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Old 02-12-2013, 22:20   #31
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Little by little make the process lengthy and expensive enough to be out of reach for the average person. Want to keep your guns but cant afford all the fees? Now you're a felon. So much opportunity for abuse.

To tax is the power to destroy.
"To tax is the power to destroy" and control.

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Old 02-12-2013, 22:58   #32
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How about a murder this is a bias-motivated crime such as race hate (or as it is now called, a “hate crime”). What makes that type of murder (hate crime) deserve a higher standard of punishable than the a murder committed because the murder loved the victim too much.

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That is a more interesting issue than it seems at first. Think about it.

We are adding a punishment to something that is a crime because of the THOUGHT that was behind it. In essence we are punishing a thought. That is flat out eerie
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:48   #33
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Here is a link to O'Reilly talking to Letterman last night. A lot about drones before the gun discussion starts. O'Reilly wants to register all guns, period. Says banning of ARs should be left to states.
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That is a more interesting issue than it seems at first. Think about it.

We are adding a punishment to something that is a crime because of the THOUGHT that was behind it. In essence we are punishing a thought. That is flat out eerie

I see that as a matter of the “camel’s nose in the tent”. The next thing we will know, the whole camel will be in the tent.

Do not forget about “hate speech” being a crime and "hate speech" can be anything the Powers That Be want it to be. So much for the First Amendment.

Lincoln put people in prison for talking and writing things against the Civil War and Lincoln is held out to be one of our country’sgreatest leaders.

I would suggest that people read The Real Lincoln by Thomas Dilorenzo,

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However, considering most of the people on GlockTalk, to suggest that they read a book or educate themselves, is a waste of my time and effort.

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[QUOTE=RJ's Guns;] However, considering most of the people on GlockTalk, to suggest that they read a book or educate themselves, is a waste of my time and effort.


Not the brightest generalization I've seen.
I don't know who is more arrogant, O'Reilly or you.
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Old 02-13-2013, 14:56   #36
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Nor have I forgotten his prior comments on gun control. He pi...d me off and I completely stopped watching his program because of it.
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Yep. I remember his rant on the ending of the so-called AWB ban in 2004. He was pretty ugly. Don't trust him.
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Old 02-13-2013, 16:30   #37
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Not the brightest generalization I've seen.
I don't know who is more arrogant, O'Reilly or you.
Definitely O'Reilly, he doesn't know his audience as well as RJ knows the GT membership
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Old 02-13-2013, 16:35   #38
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Both of those ideas are bad ones.
Why are 'gun crimes' worse than other crimes? Is someone murdered with a firearm more dead than someone murdered with a hammer? Why would making them Federal offenses make any difference? (short answer; it wouldn't. The federal court system is even more screwed up than most.)
Registering all guns and requiring background checks for all transfers will not stop a single murder or shooting, but will be a huge infringement on the rights of citizens. If you think that NICS is screwed up now, just wait and see what happens if THIS passes!
If all firearms are registered, then it makes it really easy for the government to confiscate them. Historically confiscation ALWAYS happens. Maybe not this year or next year, but it WILL happen.

My final point is that none of those measures will have any positive effect whatsoever on violent crime. If you think differently, PROVE IT! (remember, using only statistics for 'gun crime' is dishonest if violent crime goes up)
I don't see everyone registering their firearm.
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How about a murder this is a bias-motivated crime such as race hate (or as it is now called, a “hate crime”). What makes that type of murder (hate crime) deserve a higher standard of punishable than the a murder committed because the murder loved the victim too much.

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Well, I was dismissed from a "hate crime" trial for making the following statement after the DA asked my opinion of the Hate Crime law. I said the Hated Crime law is useless. DA; would mine explaining that. Absolutely. A criminal doesn't plan on getting cough so saying this or that will add time to a sentence is not a deterrent. Also the hate crime law is not enforced equally. Thank you Mr. Jerry we won't be needing you.
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Definitely O'Reilly, he doesn't know his audience as well as RJ knows the GT membership
Hey! I read a book once. Once!
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