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Old 02-11-2013, 18:51   #26
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:51   #27
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I understand why the man would have done what he did. What he did, however, is not OK. I don't believe he should walk.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:51   #28
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I think our justice system should incorporate the death penalty for drunk drivers that kill people.
I would support that.

While I can kinda understand the fathers actions it was not the right thing to do.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:52   #29
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He killed him out of rage. He didn't know if the guy had a heart attack or passed out from diabetes. It wasn't determined he was intoxicated until after he was dead. I can understand wanting to hurt someone who just killed your family but what if it truly was an accident due to a medical condition or something else.
this. It would be more defensible if he shot the guy in a fit of rage after the toxicology report was in --and still murder.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:53   #30
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You kill my kids drunk driving, well, you will never have a chance to do it ever again to any other man's sons.
I would love to sit on that jury and they need only one like me and will most likely have one like me when he goes to trial, after the second hung jury, he will go home where he belongs.
Drunk driving is the same as standing in the middle of a busy road, shutting your eyes, and firing off 17 rounds of 9mm from your Glock 17.
If you do that, you get shot, whats the difference between this driving drunk idiot killing a man's two sons?
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:55   #31
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Plain and simple murder. 2 wrongs never make a right.

In this case, the murder didn't even let the wheels of justice spins and convict the driver, so he didn't even give the system a chance to fail him.

It's sad for his sons lost, but this is USA and not bum **** Afghanistan.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:55   #32
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Though I think the shooting is not legal, I can see any father do the same thing in those circumstances. I am sure the man reeked of booze.

On one side, the law was broken; on the other, a the dead man will kill no more innocents.

Let's see how the facts are presented. There may be details we will only see at trial, unless a compromise is reached.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:59   #33
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So am I right to understand that this shooting was not in self-defense.
I'm thinking he ran home to call 911, grabbed his gun on the
way back out the door, got back to he scene, and was then
threatened by a drunk guy...


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Old 02-11-2013, 19:01   #34
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I would support that.

While I can kinda understand the fathers actions it was not the right thing to do.
After reading the article I got a sense of what happened. It is not like he stalked this guy to his house while he was out on bond and shot him in his front yard, or kicked in his door and drug him by his hair and shot him execution style.

His two boys got turned into road pizza before his eyes, and the guy sloshes out of the vehicle and does his best Urkel impersonation:

The Okie Corral
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:01   #35
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I would support that.

While I can kinda understand the fathers actions it was not the right thing to do.
After reading the article I got a sense of what happened. It is not like he stalked this guy to his house while he was out on bond and shot him in his front yard, or kicked in his door and drug him by his hair and shot him execution style.

His two boys got turned into road pizza before his eyes, and the guy sloshes out of the vehicle and does his best Urkel impersonation:

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Old 02-11-2013, 19:01   #36
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:03   #37
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Yeah we do.
Every election cycle. Unless of course the are Federal Judges or on the Supreme Court. Then they are appointed.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:03   #38
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In my home state of VA, which is a very gun-friendly state, he would have blatantly broken the "duty to retreat" portion of the law.
1. VA has no duty to retreat.
2. "Duty to retreat" and "very gun friendly" do not belong in the same sentence.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:09   #39
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Did the dad make mistakes? Yes. Should his kids have been pushing the truck? No. Should he have shot the guy? No. Should the guy have been driving drunk? No.

Do I believe he will be convicted by a jury? I highly doubt it.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:10   #40
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He was wrong. This is exactly what the antis hope for. We need to abide by the law.


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Old 02-11-2013, 19:18   #41
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I understand why he did it. He obviously broke the law to punish the other guy. He made the decision that committing the crime was worth the potential punishment.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:19   #42
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I'm thinking he ran home to call 911, grabbed his gun on the
way back out the door, got back to he scene, and was then
threatened by a drunk guy...


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If I was on the jury, the ****ing president of the United States, and just about every one of those lying scumbag senators and representatives stand up, place hand on Bible, and swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

They lie, I lie. As far as I heard when I was on that jury it went down just like you outlined. God help the system if I ever land on a jury with a case as this.

One more thing: I thought drunk driving was illegal? How could that dude be possibly have been driving drunk? There are strict laws against that.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:19   #43
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With the exception that DWI homocide is treated as less than a manslaughter in most cases. It should be treated as first degree murder. Why? The person made a concious, premediated decision to become intoxicated and then take a 5 ton weapon and not care if they killed peoplw with it. Which they clearly did.

I have no sympathy for the dead drunk driver. Not even a little.
I completely agree with you. My only point is that in this case, the only person who will stand trial is the shooter. And since his shooting was not legally justified, he is probably not going to walk.
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I also hope he walks. You take a man's family from him, and he has nothing left - watch out. The drunk SOB got what was coming to him.
+1, hope he walks, theses movie comes to mind

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www.imdb.com/title/tt0330793/






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Old 02-11-2013, 19:21   #45
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If my jury summons is in the mail the courts can go ahead and dismiss me now.

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Old 02-11-2013, 19:22   #46
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1. VA has no duty to retreat.
2. "Duty to retreat" and "very gun friendly" do not belong in the same sentence.
VA did have a duty to retreat when I first applied for my CCW about 5 years ago. At least that is what I was taught in the course. Things may have certainly changed, but I didn't hear of it.

Duty to retreat and gun friendly are not opposites of each other.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:23   #47
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I'm from Texas; I don't think a Texas jury will convict this boy of murder.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:24   #48
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He killed him out of rage. He didn't know if the guy had a heart attack or passed out from diabetes. It wasn't determined he was intoxicated until after he was dead. I can understand wanting to hurt someone who just killed your family but what if it truly was an accident due to a medical condition or something else.

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Old 02-11-2013, 19:27   #49
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Given what we know from the brief article I'm not inclined to agree with the mob here. The man's truck broke down (possibly due to his negligence), so instead of calling a tow truck he has his son's push the truck along a county road late at night (almost midnight) in complete darkness (in a curve?) in an attempt to get it started. Someone comes down the road and collides with a disabled dark object. It could just as easily been your wife or child who hit the truck. An accident, but 'Mr. I can't get my truck started' decides to shoot victim #3 after he negligently put victims #1 & #2 at great risk, costing them their lives.

The intoxicated driver obviously has liability but I don't buy the concept that it's exclusive, or that it justifies murder.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:30   #50
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So what should happen if the driver is not drunk?

What if he had a stroke?

What if he had a heart attack?

What if he was texting?

What if he was rushing to a hospital because his wife was having a baby?

Or to save his child that was sick?
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