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Old 02-10-2013, 17:35   #201
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....I don't believe he's unstable. He's just a man pushed to his limits.
Incorrect. He is a murderer and a bad person.

There is absolutely no excuse to run around commiting murder. To shoot at the children of someone you have a beef with, is not reasonable, nor the actions of a stable person.

I have seen cops lose everything and then get slandered by the media, and they did not go on a murder spree.

My personal challenges are not available for discussion, but they are nothing you could imagine, and I came out OK. Haven't hunted down anyone yet.

You are wasting your time being concerned about Dorner.

If being fired (even if it was not justified, and who really knows) pushes someone to their limit, and they go on a murder spree, then I would say that person was fired not a moment too soon.
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Old 02-10-2013, 18:44   #202
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incorrect. He is a murderer and a bad person.

There is absolutely no excuse to run around commiting murder. To shoot at the children of someone you have a beef with, is not reasonable, nor the actions of a stable person.

I have seen cops lose everything and then get slandered by the media, and they did not go on a murder spree.

My personal challenges are not available for discussion, but they are nothing you could imagine, and i came out ok. Haven't hunted down anyone yet.

you are wasting your time being concerned about dorner.

If being fired (even if it was not justified, and who really knows) pushes someone to their limit, and they go on a muder spree, then i would say that person was fired not a moment too soon.

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Old 02-10-2013, 19:05   #203
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Regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not, he NEEDED to be fired.

He obviously is not stable - I have gone through some (dung) in my life, and even have been so mad at a person my heart started running 100mph when he was near, but I NEVER was tempted to go shooting at anyone.


on a different note:
To add to this "domestic terrorist" thought, I wonder if he converted to a different religion-that-shall-not-be-named recently.....
You are very lucky to have not gone after anyone. With the stress levels of life today I am surprised that we don't have more people just start shooting.

My mom was sexually assaulted by a retired leo and believe me, I have wanted smoke him for a long time. But the law says U can't do it so it does not get done. I believe the story out in La is bigger than we all imagine but I have seen many departments that have really bad policy and it comes from the county/city and not always the actual officers.
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Old 02-10-2013, 19:32   #205
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When Maurice Clemmons shot and killed four of Lakewood's best, the investigation quickly revealed that he was getting family support to the point he was being shuttled around and some treatment for his GSW. I put nothing past the idea that there may be some support out there not yet discovered.

There were people in the community at that time who were rooting for Clemmons to kill more cops, too.

There will always be the fringe for that sort of thing.
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Old 02-10-2013, 19:35   #206
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Old 02-10-2013, 19:39   #207
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When Maurice Clemmons shot and killed four of Lakewood's best, the investigation quickly revealed that he was getting family support to the point he was being shuttled around and some treatment for his GSW. I put nothing past the idea that there may be some support out there not yet discovered.

There were people in the community at that time who were rooting for Clemmons to kill more cops, too.

There will always be the fringe for that sort of thing.
The last time we had a cop killed here the shooters hoodrat family got him to FLA pretty damn quickly.


I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

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The last time we had a cop killed here the shooters hoodrat family got him to FLA pretty damn quickly.


I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

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Yea. That why I think they put that reward on him. I have very little doubt that he is hiding out amongst sympathizers.

I don't know if concentrating so much force on one small area like they have been doing is such a good idea.

Remember a 17 year old eluded a manhunt for what, 2 years before he was captured thousands of miles away from where he was believed to be hiding? (Colton Harris Moore)


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Old 02-10-2013, 19:51   #209
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Yea. That why I think they put that reward on him. I have very little doubt that he is hiding out amongst sympathizers.

I don't know if concentrating so much force on one small area like they have been doing is such a good idea.

Remember a 17 year old eluded a manhunt for what, 2 years before he was captured thousands of miles away from where he was believed to be hiding? (Colton Harris Moore)


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He can run (sometime for a while), but he can't hide.

As I've posted before, when the hunt team catches up with him, just take fingerprints and a DNA swab. Bury the body deeply. Let him become a D.B.Cooper legend.
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Old 02-10-2013, 20:07   #211
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He can run (sometime for a while), but he can't hide.

As I've posted before, when the hunt team catches up with him, just take fingerprints and a DNA swab. Bury the body deeply. Let him become a D.B.Cooper legend.
Uhm I have to say "no" to that idea. everyone is jumpy enough and killing and disappearing into legend is not the same as hijacking a plane and disappearing with money.
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Judging from some of the empathy Dorner is receiving in this and other forums, as well as outright support and hero worship he is receiving from other quarters, Dorner's best bet would be to declare victory and surrender. Then he can enjoy all the empathy and support that would surely flow out of coverage of his trial.

He might even walk.

Let's review:

Go back to Sunday, in Irvine. Two citizens shot to death in cold blood. One was the daughter of the man that defended Dorner in the trial board that led to his being fired for committing a crime---filing a false police report. The other was her fiancé.

Let me repeat that, since it seems to be lost amongst all this empathy: he shot down two defenseless people who never caused him any harm.

Even if his firing was unjust, there is no justification for that double murder. That's not justice...or even vengeance. It's just evil.

Some have questioned why he was fired, even if his complaint was false. For those outside of LE, being a proven liar is a career ender. It has to be disclosed to the defense in each case in which the officer appears as a witness. An officer who fabricated a complaint against another officer would never withstand cross examination when testifying in any other matter.

But again, only a depraved individual commits murder such as this. Even if unjustly fired, even if he lost everything to that injustice (to assume for the sake of argument), a person has to be very sick indeed to act this way. Sick in a way that has nothing to do with what LAPD did or did not do. It's who he is.

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Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
http://m.now.msn.com/christopher-dor...get-on-us-soil
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http://m.now.msn.com/christopher-dor...get-on-us-soil
The government seriously wants a mass insurrection on their hands.


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News for you: not the first times drones have operated in the USA. And he isn't being targeted. He is being searched for using better assets than a high maintenance helo. From a cost and manpower perspective, it makes sense.

People want conspiracies where there is none.
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News for you: not the first times drones have operated in the USA. And he isn't being targeted. He is being searched for using better assets than a high maintenance helo. From a cost and manpower perspective, it makes sense.

People want conspiracies where there is none.
I'm not into conspiracies.

But everyone who is, will view this as further validation of their beliefs.


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Not sure why he'd head for Mexico with $1M on his head. They'd be more likely to take him out for $1.
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I've got a catchy name for this guy.

Black Rambo.
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I thought it was common knowledge that surplused DOD Predator drones are already operational. And Hogfire missile practice missions are operational in Nevada. Hypothetically speaking, that is.

Our agency starts armed drone overflight operations in April.
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I thought it was common knowledge that surplused DOD Predator drones are already operational. And Hogfire missile practice missions are operational in Nevada. Hypothetically speaking, that is.

Our agency starts armed drone overflight operations in April.
Haha.

Yea, right after you get suitcase nukes? Haha.


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Why did he need to get fired? Was there anything else in his LAPD career that they looked at other than the accusation that he came forward with as a reason for his dismissal?

We may not like his views (2nd Amendment, entertainment, political among them) but I don't believe he's unstable. He's just a man pushed to his limits. What you went through probably isn't the same as what he's gone through. The limit of abuse that you can take is different from his.

Everyone's limits are different.

I've gone to a couple of 2nd amendment rallies in the since January where we feel that there are people who want to take away our rights and the government talks of confiscation. I read several flags made by people who may feel their back are against the wall that read "Come and Take Them". I thought about what these people would do if they did come knocking at their door. How far would they go to get back or keep what's theirs? Would people call them unstable for doing what they needed to do to get back what's theirs?
Your post here disturbs me.

You kind of sound like you're one of the people who sees this guy as a revolutionary. Like he's just fighting a corrupt system.

He lost that defense when he murdered the innocent child of the guy who defended him, and her fiancé. He's not fighting the system. He's murdering innocent people.

You might be able to make that argument if this was a case of injustice and he was only targeting the people who brought that injustice against him.

That's not even close to what's happening here. Your "come and take it" analogy in this case is nothing but tin foil hat wearing hyperbole.

The only evidence I've seen that there was any injustice, is his word. The question should be asking, is why you feel you the need to take the word of someone who has spilled the blood of innocents over the documented evidence (from multiple independent sources) that this guy didn't get a raw deal.


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On the other hand, one of the Big Bear residents was quoted as saying over morning coffee "no problem - I see him, I shoot him. We take care of ourselves up here"

Prayers & best wishes for safety of all involved
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One other factoid - his burned out truck had a broken axle. Maybe that was a diversion, but I doubt he could have broken the axle on purpose - which means he would have had at least one major disruption of his plans. If that's how it went down, they might find him when the snow melts.
If the terrain is bad enough, wouldn't driving hard enough be able to do it? Seems if he really wanted to he could, especially if he knew it would be part of his plan on compromised the axle before hand. I don't know much about cars, and maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but it seems doable.

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This is not where I originally saw it, but this report from CBS news also reports the broken axle and some other information that suggests that maybe his plans were disrupted & he had to take off on foot. If he wasn't prepared to be on foot in the (apparently worse than usual) cold & snow, he may be done sooner rather than later.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...ter-to-hunted/

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The contents of the burned truck could yield a lot of good info.

Unless he went to Ranger school or some other special training, most Military Officers are not well trained on the ground, they just have book smarts. Police training can be an aide, but not ever patrol officer knows about investigations.

He will need money and/or good friends to make it more than a month or two, unless he goes to Mexico and works for drug dealers...

While the situation is messed up, he will be more in survival mode than hunting mode. Thats a good thing.
Again, maybe I'm giving too much credit towards him, but this might just be another diversion, axle and all. Regarding not being prepared for the elements, with 5 years to plan, even self-training would be a major advantage.

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I read that there were weapons found abandoned in the burned out vehicle along with cold weather camping gear.
This is the first I saw anything that made me think something didn't go as planned since he left weapons behind.

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I don't believe he's unstable. He's just a man pushed to his limits.
Let's not mistake unstable with insane. Insane would be if what he truly believed was wrong. I think he knows what he's doing is wrong but has even said it's a "necessary evil." Somebody pushed to their limits, at the most extreme, will generally kill whoever is directly involved, as may more people in the immediate area as they can, then confronted, kills themselves. This guy is driven on emotion and is unstable.
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