[DOC44]

Ex-ATF agents recall storm of gunfire in deadly 1993 Waco raid

Waving the bloody shirt.

Next they will be reliving Ruby Ridge........... NOT.

http://news.yahoo.com/ex-atf-agents-...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

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[Skyhook]

We're way beyond that Waco thing and that Ruby Ridge thing...Obama and Holder would just drone 'em---WHOOSH-BANG!

No problemo.

[DOC44]

Originally Posted by Skyhook

We're way beyond that Waco thing and that Ruby Ridge thing...Obama and Holder would just drone 'em---WHOOSH-BANG!

No problemo.

My reaction to this article at this time is to show how dangerous it is to allow "the people" to have guns to protect them and their family for what they consider an attack on their rights.

Gun control would have prevented these agents from being injured in the protection of their country.

To me it is another cheap shot from the pro gun control administration and other dumba**es.


ATF out gunned??



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[The Fist Of Goodness]

Originally Posted by DOC44

My reaction to this article at this time is to show how dangerous it is to allow "the people" to have guns to protect them and their family for what they consider an attack on their rights.

Gun control would have prevented these agents from being injured in the protection of their country.

To me it is another cheap shot from the pro gun control administration and other dumba**es.


ATF out gunned??



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ATF ran out of ammo. I guess they were outgunned.

The FBI on the other hand...

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[kirgi08]

This and Ruby Ridge are a very poignant memory for me.'08.

[engineer151515]

When a " a normal day in law enforcement" becomes:

"We were going to go in there, we were going to kick a little bootie, then we were going to ease out and be home before noon. . . .

there is something fundamentally wrong with the associated law enforcement agency from the top down.

This is not a game. It is not a sport. They were there to enforce a search warrant, arrest Koresh and confiscate illegal automatic weapons. Yet the initial crew thought it would be a kick-bootie party.

Lessons from the failed raid have led to sharp improvements in medical care, training, planning and the increased use of snipers,

If these were the lessons learned from a 50 day siege than ended with the use of National Guard tanks and 76 dead, I'd say the correct lessons may not have been learned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Other reports claim the first shots were fired by the ATF "dog team" sent to kill the dogs in the Davidian kennel

Yeah.. This was going to be an ugly day from the start.
So glad Janet Reno took full responsibility for this fiasco. That resulted in . . . . nothing. Just like Hillary's recent claim of responsibility for safety at Benghazi. Meaningless swill.

[CAcop]

It is coming up on the 20th anniversary. It is probably not a part of a grand scheme.

Whatever happened at Waco the lessons were applied to other groups. Does anyone remember the names of the two groups where federal agents essentially installed chain link fencing around a compound and waited for them to come out?

Didn't think so because it doesn't give you any hate fuel.

[Skyhook]

Originally Posted by CAcop

It is coming up on the 20th anniversary. It is probably not a part of a grand scheme.

Whatever happened at Waco the lessons were applied to other groups. Does anyone remember the names of the two groups where federal agents essentially installed chain link fencing around a compound and waited for them to come out?

Didn't think so because it doesn't give you any hate fuel.

Maybe we should hunt down Janet Reno and ask her (in honor of the anniversary and all) WTF was her hurry?!?

What drove her blood lust to the limit?!?

[The Fist Of Goodness]

Originally Posted by CAcop

It is coming up on the 20th anniversary. It is probably not a part of a grand scheme.

Whatever happened at Waco the lessons were applied to other groups. Does anyone remember the names of the two groups where federal agents essentially installed chain link fencing around a compound and waited for them to come out?

Didn't think so because it doesn't give you any hate fuel.

One was up in New England, I think. The dentist and his wife? They were tax protestors or Sovereigns (or some offshoot of those movements), if I remember correctly.

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[engineer151515]

Originally Posted by CAcop

It is coming up on the 20th anniversary. It is probably not a part of a grand scheme.

Whatever happened at Waco the lessons were applied to other groups. Does anyone remember the names of the two groups where federal agents essentially installed chain link fencing around a compound and waited for them to come out?

Didn't think so because it doesn't give you any hate fuel.

Actually, I'd phrase it as "it doesn't give [me] any complaints about abuse of power, over-reaches of authority or cases of inconsequential acceptance of responsibility".

I don't think for one minute that you believe me (personally) to possess some fundamental dislike for LEO's. The circumstances where I direct criticism usually fall in a pretty severe category - such as the Katrina gun grab (which did not include all LEO but certainly included NOLA Chief of Police).

Quite frankly, many Americans could not believe what we were watching when the tanks/engineering vehicles showed up at WACO.

[CitizenOfDreams]

20 years later, some people still believe the LE will not shoot their fellow citizens when ordered to.

[GAFinch]

Originally Posted by engineer151515

This is not a game. It is not a sport. They were there to enforce a search warrant, arrest Koresh and confiscate illegal automatic weapons. Yet the initial crew thought it would be a kick-bootie party.

Was it ever proven that they had illegally converted their weapons to fully automatic instead of just using those Hellfire triggers? I know it doesn't matter for MSM reporting, I'm just curious.

[BobbyS]

WACO...........one of the first parties thrown by the guv'
ment with mantra: "it's for the children".

[itstime]

Originally Posted by Skyhook

We're way beyond that Waco thing and that Ruby Ridge thing...Obama and Holder would just drone 'em---WHOOSH-BANG!

No problemo.

Why am I laughing? It's so true.

[BobbyS]

Originally Posted by GAFinch

Was it ever proven that they had illegally converted their weapons to fully automatic instead of just using those Hellfire triggers? I know it doesn't matter for MSM reporting, I'm just curious.

Yeah I never did read how many M2s, M60s, claymors, and LAWs were recovered.

[stevelyn]

Originally Posted by BobbyS

Yeah I never did read how many M2s, M60s, claymors, and LAWs were recovered.

Pfffffffffft................. They haven't even mentioned any select-fire rifles.