[mongo356]

Originally Posted by countrygun

Do they let you cross the street by yourself?

Yah that darned Browning he should have been designing polymer pistols in 1880 if he was so good

According to some he did......................He was that good.

[427]

Originally Posted by mongo356

Glock made a (one) design that was very successful. Requires very few parts that can be transferred to other firearms. I guess if anything he did one thing very well and made a fortune.

Glock took Browning's locking system and designed around it. A Glock pistol, is, at it's core, a Browning design.

Originally Posted by mongo356

Browning- (Disclaimer) I am not a gun smith nor do I read every manual that Browning ever produced, but of the guns I have looked at they had several tiny small easy to lose or damage springs and levers inside.

Every pistol has small easy to lose parts - even Glocks.

Originally Posted by mongo356

Of the 1911's in particular (I know it's not his only gun design- I guess if he was so great there wouldn't have been a need for 1,600 other Browning designs )

So, M2 Heavy MGs for example, aren't needed, right? Even though it's a 1918 design that's still being used, that's saying something, right?

Originally Posted by mongo356

how many of those small parts and springs will the gun function without if a breakage occurs? I know for a fact Glock will run without a few small parts.

Which parts?

Originally Posted by mongo356

Which is better? Depends on what angle you are looking from -nice pocket watch or sun dial.

Originally Posted by mongo356

Genius design with several small "must be matched" to the gun parts or 33 can of which most can be taken from other guns dropped in and will work all without the aid of special tools or gunsmiths.

Glocks are variation of a Browning locking system refined to fewer parts.

You do know that Military 1911's/Hi Powers used parts from a parts bin that weren't matched, right? You know that they were just put together, function tested and then issued, right?

Originally Posted by mongo356

Butt hurt disclaimer- I think both men are very good in their own respect, Browning made some great guns without computer aid or complex machinery, but probably couldn't make a curtain rod or shovel worth having.

[Stock Perfection]

Originally Posted by method

The G17 pistol was so named for being Glock's 17th patent, not because it was the 17th iteration of the pistol design.

You are correct sir.

[mongo356]

I see I may have hurt some feelings.

This is really pointless maybe we should agree my kool-aid is just different brand than yours.

Go team JMB, I have now been enlightened.

[DAIadvisor]

Originally Posted by RyanBDawg

....I would say Gaston's most important contribution has been in materials which pistols (now) are made out of, and precision manufacturing.

Actually Hk was the first to introduce polymer framed guns, NOT Glock. Glock just made it popular.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by DAIadvisor

Actually Hk was the first to introduce polymer framed guns, NOT Glock. Glock just made it popular.

And they got the idea from the Remington XP-100 which proved synthetics would work

[Grabbrass]

Gaston Glock is more accurately analogous to Henry Ford than Browning. He didn't really invent anything, he just refined existing technology into a simpler (and cheaper to produce) form using modern materials.

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo

The Kool Aid flows both ways here I see.

Really? Lets think about this(from a previous post) all of brownings designs:

Cartridges.25 ACP
.32 ACP
.38 ACP
9mm Browning Long
.380 ACP
.45 ACP
.50 BMG

Firearms

U.S. M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun
FN Browning M1899/M1900
Colt Model 1900
Colt Model 1902
Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammer (.38 ACP)
Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless (.32 ACP)
Colt Model 1905
FN Model 1906 Vest Pocket (.25 ACP)
Remington Model 8 (1906), a long recoil semi-automatic rifle
Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket (.25 ACP)
Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless (.380 ACP)
FN Model 1910
U.S. M1911 pistol (.45 ACP)
Colt Woodsman pistol
Winchester Model 1885 falling-block single shot rifle
Winchester Model 1886 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1887 lever-action repeating shotgun
Winchester Model 1890 slide-action repeating rifle (.22)
Winchester Model 1892 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1894 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1895 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1897 pump-action repeating shotgun
Browning Auto-5 long recoil semi-automatic shotgun
Browning 22 Semi-Auto rifle
U.S. M1917 water-cooled machine gun
U.S. M1919 air-cooled machine gun
U.S. M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR)
U.S. M2 .50-caliber heavy machine gun of 1921 (the famed "Ma-Deuce" weapon)
Remington Model 8 semi-auto rifle
Remington Model 24 semi-auto rifle (.22) Also produced by Browning Firearms (as the SA-22) and several others
Browning Hi-Power (Grand Puissance or GP), the standard sidearm of many military and police forces
The Browning Superposed over/under shotgun was designed by John Browning in 1922 and entered production in 1931
Ithaca Model 37 pump-action repeating shotgun

If you include guns designed by others, based on Browning's designs, add "all automatic and semi-automatic firearms to the list
__________________________________________________

Now, lets look at GLocks designs:

A pistol(based on a browning design) offered in multiple calibers and lengths. He did, of course, cut a little length of off a cartridge(designed by BROWNING we might add) and call it his own. That cartidge is woefully unpopular though.

Kool aid you say? No, outside of your "world of perfection" we simply call that common sense. Try it sometime.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mongo356

I see I may have hurt some feelings.

This is really pointless maybe we should agree my kool-aid is just different brand than yours.

Go team JMB, I have now been enlightened.

Browning's guns are dishwasher safe. Can you say the same for your el cheapo foreign plastic guns?

[fnfalman]

Browning actually designed the guns himself.

What guns did Gaston Glock design? Or did he have to hire gun engineers to design the Glock pistols?

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mongo356

That one problem is that Glock didn't waste his time on a 1-of-a-kind single shot or lever action??

Yeah, he wasted his time on making crappy military shovels and disposable knives.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by bac1023

GG did not invent the polymer pistol. HK built the designed the first polymer frame pistol a good decade before.

And before that, Colt, Remington and a host of others have used hardened resins and Bakelites for grip panels. Plastic ain't new when it comes to being used for gun parts.

[fnfalman]

Let's just take the M1911 design for instance, the shooter can detail strip that pistol without using any special tool at all but just parts from the gun itself.

Can somebody detail strip a Glock without using a punch or any tool at all?

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by Grabbrass

Gaston Glock is more accurately analogous to Henry Ford than Browning. He didn't really invent anything, he just refined existing technology into a simpler (and cheaper to produce) form using modern materials.

I could see that analogy a lot better. Ford didnt invent the internal combustion engine, or the car, but he did make an affordable version. It was also available in your choice of colors, as long as it was black.

[G26S239]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

Discovery Channel kinda of guy huh?



Am I the only one who had to look that one up?

You got me there. I did have to look up the right inclusive generic term.

Originally Posted by mongo356

Browning- (Disclaimer) I am not a gun smith nor do I read every manual that Browning ever produced, but of the guns I have looked at they had several tiny small easy to lose or damage springs and levers inside.

Of the 1911's in particular (I know it's not his only gun design- I guess if he was so great there wouldn't have been a need for 1,600 other Browning designs ) how many of those small parts and springs will the gun function without if a breakage occurs? I know for a fact Glock will run without a few small parts.

My first G26 with a DHR prefix was part of a 1999 batch of baby Glocks that had faulty recoil spring assemblies. The rear retaining flange on the outer spring broke and caused my G26 to start having failure to return to battery. I replaced it with a Wolff non captive set up and it has run like a top since.

I found a reference that the 19/23/32 from a certain time frame had a slide lock spring that was prone to breakage. My CSD prefix G32 had that particular spring as identified by a skimpy wasp waist. I changed it out with the beefier built newer OEM slide lock spring. With a broken slide lock a Glock will not lock up properly and the upper may be able to fly off the frame.

A broken trigger spring and you have your trigger will not set.

The firing pin portion of my friends G22 striker assembly got metal fatigue and broke off leaving his gun inoperable. That is definitely not the norm but it did happen.

I am sure that I have missed a few things that can go wrong with a Glock. And Glocks do not break often. My own experience is that they are very reliable and I trust them. Your assertion that Glocks run great with missing or broken springs and parts suggests to me that your understanding of mechanical devices is not very good.

One area where Glocks shine is ease of detail stripping and parts replacement. 1911s and Sigs are easy in that regard too.

Originally Posted by mongo356

According to some he did......................He was that good.

Nylon was not developed until 1935. JMB died in 1926.

[fnfalman]

If the Glock was "Perfection" then why was there a recall on the old copper color trigger group? I had to send my First Generation G17 in for that "improvement".

[RON in PA]

NO!

Browning was a great firearms designer, 1911, BAR, M2, M1917, M1919, Winchester models 1892 and 1894 plus many more.

Glock is a very good business man who hired a committee to design a pistol for the Austrian army trials in 1980. All his pistols are basically variations of the same design.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by mongo356

That one problem is that Glock didn't waste his time on a 1-of-a-kind single shot or lever action??

The problem with your comments is that you don't seem to understand the fundamentals of firearm design and function, not to mention history. It's like my wife commenting on 2-stroke vs. 4-stroke engines (the 4 stroke has more small parts to lose and is more complicated, so the 2-stroke must be better).

[Bob Hafler]

Originally Posted by Bren

The problem with your comments is that you don't seem to understand the fundamentals of firearm design and function, not to mention history. It's like my wife commenting on 2-stroke vs. 4-stroke engines (the 4 stroke has more small parts to lose and is more complicated, so the 2-stroke must be better).

Agreed.^^^
Could you just imagine what JMB would have come up with if he had todays computer technology and machinery. As far as I'm concerned GG isn''t even on the same level as Eugene Stoner, Mikhail Kalashnikov,Samuel Colt or John Garand much less JMB.

[Gaston Glock]

Yes, yes I am!

[michael_b]

Originally Posted by countrygun

And they got the idea from the Remington XP-100 which proved synthetics would work

I thought is was the Remington Nylon 66- that came out in the very late 50's.


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[G26S239]

Originally Posted by Gaston Glock

Yes, yes I am!

[WayneJessie]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Browning actually designed the guns himself.

What guns did Gaston Glock design? Or did he have to hire gun engineers to design the Glock pistols?

Mr. Bubits comes to mind. Probably could have took the Glock pistol to the next level were it not for G.G.'s resistance.

[Boats]

The Henry Ford/Glock parallel has one more stripe.

Ford was a notorious anti-Semite. Glock was a Nazi.

The OP's original comparative question is beyond obtuse and is borderline retarded.

[Booker]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Browning's guns are dishwasher safe. Can you say the same for your el cheapo foreign plastic guns?

That's not fair! My Glock can go in the dishwasher, it's stamped on the inside of the grip well "Dishwasher Safe-Top Rack Only!"