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Old 02-06-2013, 16:03   #151
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You make the claims, then support them. I think you don't have a leg to stand on. So back up what you say instead of demanding others do what you won't do. You sound like an entitled spoiled child who has socialist leanings. Now prove what you posted and support your arguments. Emotion is not proof.

Post the writings.
He can't, and I've asked him directly at least twice in this thread. It's very hard to reason with someone whose entire position is based purely on emotion. HH
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He can't, and I've asked him directly at least twice in this thread. It's very hard to reason with someone whose entire position is based purely on emotion. HH
That's because you can't understand, because you're a progressive.











.....did I get that response right?
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You make the claims, then support them. I think you don't have a leg to stand on. So back up what you say instead of demanding others do what you won't do. You sound like an entitled spoiled child who has socialist leanings. Now prove what you posted and support your arguments. Emotion is not proof.

Post the writings.
You want me to say, post the federalist papers and anti-federalist papers here on GT? Seriously? Also the body of published writings and speeches by the men involved?

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He can't, and I've asked him directly at least twice in this thread. It's very hard to reason with someone whose entire position is based purely on emotion. HH
You asked me for case law, rulings, supporting the notion that natural rights enshrined in the BOR are more important than subsequent amendments. I stated twice I couldn't. You're better than intellectual dishonesty.


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That's because you can't understand, because you're a progressive.











.....did I get that response right?
HH a progressive? I really can't recall him posting anything that would support that.

You on the other hand have a long history of it b


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.....did I get that response right?
More dead on than a fatal heart attack. The COTUS has no emotional preference. HH
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So those documents which define blacks as only 3/5s human beings is what you think we should follow? Those same documents that say if you don't have land or are a woman or are not white, then you don't get to vote?
Some yes some no. While you're reading read up on the reason for the 3/5ths rule. It might make more sense


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Some yes some no.
I'm sorry, Sir but I will uphold the XXIst with the same veracity, verve and conviction as any of the others, including the IInd. They are all equal, period. HH
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I'm sorry, Sir but I will uphold the XXIst with the same veracity, verve and conviction as any of the others, including the IInd. They are all equal, period. HH
Sounds emotional, Sir.

Under the law, you're correct. No debate there. Natural rights predate the law. The BOR simply codifies them.

You can repeal the second. I still have the right. I may go to jail for it but the right still exists, government simply failed its duty to protect it. If enough people exercise it, government will be ineffective at jailing them all.

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Be honest, conservatives do too.
True, but they interpret it more closely to the Founders intent.
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True, but they interpret it more closely to the Founders intent.
How closely did the founders intend?

If it was a mere suggestion....a guideline or living breathing document, why all the handwringing debate over every phrase?
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How closely did the founders intend?

If it was a mere suggestion....a guideline or living breathing document, why all the handwringing debate over every phrase?
As it is written.

Progressives Twist it. For example they twist the 2nd Amendment to mean for an organized civilian militia, not intended for individual citizens to own arms.
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As it is written.

Progressives Twist it. For example they twist the 2nd Amendment to mean for an organized civilian militia, not intended for individual citizens to own arms.
The list goes on.
I misread your post above
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In United States v Miller in 1939, the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment only protected military style weapons commonly used in the military and militia at that time.
yes, I believe they ruled against Miller, because a short barreled shotgun was not used in the military at the time.
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I can understand accidentally going against the Constitution but intentionally going against the Constitution makes you a traitor.
Traitors because they pass laws that walk a thin judiciary line? no. How exactly do issues of the second amendment pertain to acts of treason?

The most direct approach would be simply to repeal the second amendment. Doing so is perfectly legal, think about it.

Keep in mind that it is not necessarily the Congress' job to pass laws that are constitutional. It is simply their job to pass laws.
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They have freedom of speech and the right to disagree.
I do distinguish between loyalty to the country and the government.

Our government was founded by the constitution but our country was founded by the Declaration of Independence.

In my mind the Declaration gives us the right and duty to replace an oppressive government. This gives it precedence even over the Constitution. It is a very radical document and really makes the United States the most revolutionary country on earth.

The second amendment simply states that the people ( not the government or one of its entities) has the right to keep and bear arms. This backs up the Declaration .

I do not think talk makes them traitors it takes some serious actions.

The left conveniently forgets that these same rights would also be used to keep an oppressive far right government in check.
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They have freedom of speech and the right to disagree.
I do distinguish between loyalty to the country and the government.

Our government was founded by the constitution but our country was founded by the Declaration of Independence.

In my mind the Declaration gives us the right and duty to replace an oppressive government. This gives it precedence even over the Constitution. It is a very radical document and really makes the United States the most revolutionary country on earth.

The second amendment simply states that the people ( not the government or one of its entities) has the right to keep and bear arms. This backs up the Declaration .

I do not think talk makes them traitors it takes some serious actions.

The left conveniently forgets that these same rights would also be used to keep an oppressive far right government in check.
I'm with ya right up to the "oppressive far right government" part. No such thing. Far right is maximum liberty, oppression is leftist.

What is remarkable is that what is considered "conservative" today was liberal at the ratification.

The people are born with natural rights. The People created the government and so long as those natural rights are protected, they can end the government.

Folks who think otherwise seem to believe that the government came first and that rights are derived from the government, or that rights and laws hold equal status.

The people of North Korea have the same natural rights but the government has a monopoly on force and punishes them for exercising those rights. The rights still exist. The government is criminal and immoral.

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I'm with ya right up to the "oppressive far right government" part. No such thing.
You are out of your mind if you truly believe this, or you have no concept of the political spectrum.

Socialism is the far left end of the political spectrum
Fascism is the far right of the political spectrum

Fascism is defined by adherence to strong social CONSERVATISM.

This does not exist in the United States, but to say there's "No such thing" is just flat-out false. History has plenty of examples of oppressive far-right governments.
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You are out of your mind if you truly believe this, or you have no concept of the political spectrum.

Socialism is the far left end of the political spectrum
Fascism is the far right of the political spectrum

Fascism is defined by adherence to strong social CONSERVATISM.

This does not exist in the United States, but to say there's "No such thing" is just flat-out false. History has plenty of examples of oppressive far-right governments.
No. Communism is far left. Fascism is leftist....socialism with a strong nationalist bent. Authoritarian Nationalism. Communists and Fascists are kissing cousins. The far right is not authoritarian. Authoritarian governments are leftist.

All evil murderous regimes in modern history are leftist. I'm sorry if that stings a bit but when your ideology flourishes, millions of people are killed.

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often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Far right today in the US is Libertarianism. Constitutionalism. Neither of those remotely resemble autocracy.
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No. Communism is far left. Fascism is leftist....socialism with a strong nationalist bent. Authoritarian Nationalism. Communists and Fascists are kissing cousins. The far right is not authoritarian. Authoritarian governments are leftist.

All evil murderous regimes in modern history are leftist. I'm sorry if that stings a bit but when your ideology flourishes, millions of people are killed.
For god's sake please take a course in political science!!!!!

Warcry is correct.

You believe that fascists where leftist because the Nazi party had the word "socialist" in its name.

By the same reasoning, Republicans are also leftists.

During the Spanish Civil War of 1936, the Republicans were the communists.

Please learn about political science. You don't have the foggiest idea.
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For god's sake please take a course in political science!!!!!

Warcry is correct.

You believe that fascists where leftist because the Nazi party had the word "socialist" in its name.

By the same reasoning, Republicans are also leftists.

During the Spanish Civil War of 1936, the Republicans were the communists.

Please learn about political science. You don't have the foggiest idea.
Blah blah blah blah blah

It is funny watching the leftists get defensive.

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Blah blah blah blah blah

It is funny watching the leftists get defensive.
It's even more amusing to see your responses when you have no defense for ignorance of a subject.

You keep telling people to go do some research. Well, guess what?

Good for the goose, good for the gander. Go read something about world politics and try to grasp a LITTLE bit of knowledge, because in this area, you're sorely lacking.

I know words can sometimes cause trouble, so I'll just make it as simple as possible:

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