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Old 02-07-2013, 15:46   #26
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No. John Browning was a firearms master. His designs were radically apart from anything else being done in his day. He came as close to re-inventing firearms as anyone in history has. His lock-breech design is used in virtually every semi-auto pistol to this day, including Glock.


Gaston Glock is a toolmaker who made a fantastic, and utterly reliable tool which shoots bullets. I would say Gaston's most important contribution has been in materials which pistols (now) are made out of, and precision manufacturing.
That about covers it, but.....

Forget about the 1911. Look at the other Browning designs to see why Browning was a master.
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Old 02-07-2013, 15:56   #27
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Perspective is needed.

Somebody mentioned Bill Ruger. Well, despite the fact that his 10/22 design is undoubtedly the most popular .22 in the world, he didn't "invent" much to it. The magazine is from the Mannlicher/Savage 99 he just made it detachable. Now if that was the only gun that had his name on it, would someone compare him to JMB?
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Old 02-07-2013, 16:11   #28
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And don't forget Bill Ruger's contributions to the field of victim disarmament. Still think he was scum for selling out gun owners and endorsing infringements on our rights.
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Old 02-07-2013, 16:12   #29
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Hey guys. I'm an enthusiast of both pistols but thought I would ask the same question here as I did on the 1911 Forum.

Is Gaston Glock on the same level as John Browning? I understand John Browning's accomplishmets with his designs but I also understand Gaston Glocks with his. Browning's designs have been around for over 100 years but it looks like Gaston's designs may be the design of the future if it already isn't.. I'm not partial to either design because I own and enjoy them both. I'm just wondering if Gaston and Browning are on the same level and why?
I'm going to be blunt...

Quite frankly, I'm astonished somebody could be ignorant enough to even ponder the question. Its just ridiculous.

There, I said it.
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Old 02-07-2013, 16:14   #30
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Old 02-07-2013, 16:26   #31
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And don't forget Bill Ruger's contributions to the field of victim disarmament. Still think he was scum for selling out gun owners and endorsing infringements on our rights.
I am truly sorry you caught your wife sleeping with a Ruger factory rep.

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And don't forget Bill Ruger's contributions to the field of victim disarmament. Still think he was scum for selling out gun owners and endorsing infringements on our rights.
Bill died over a decade ago and Ruger sells like 5 types of ARs now.

It's probably okay to let the dead be dead now.
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Hey guys. I'm an enthusiast of both pistols but thought I would ask the same question here as I did on the 1911 Forum.

Is Gaston Glock on the same level as John Browning? I understand John Browning's accomplishmets with his designs but I also understand Gaston Glocks with his. Browning's designs have been around for over 100 years but it looks like Gaston's designs may be the design of the future if it already isn't.. I'm not partial to either design because I own and enjoy them both. I'm just wondering if Gaston and Browning are on the same level and why?
They aren't even close. Browning was a genius.
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I know this won't be the popular thing to express but.......

Both made fine firearms that are used by military, LE & Civilians around the World.

One uses a lot of small levers, springs and detent balls. The other uses 33 parts.

One you disassemble with a bottle opener, the other a 3/16" punch.

Browning to me is kind of like a nice pocket watch really shiny & pretty gets the job done with a lot of cool gears and Timing.

Glock more like a sun dial still gets the job done, not complex and can double as a door stop for years and still tell time.

Just my opinion.
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I know this won't be the popular thing to express but.......

Both made fine firearms that are used by military, LE & Civilians around the World.

One uses a lot of small levers, springs and detent balls. The other uses 33 parts.

One you disassemble with a bottle opener, the other a 3/16" punch.

Browning to me is kind of like a nice pocket watch really shiny & pretty gets the job done with a lot of cool gears and Timing.

Glock more like a sun dial still gets the job done, not complex and can double as a door stop for years and still tell time.

Just my opinion.


You guys are really funny...

I know its breaking news to some, but JMB designed more than just the 1911 - a LOT more, in fact.

GG designed one gun. ONE

Even that one gun used featured engineered by JMB.




This thread should have been started on April 1st.
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Not exactly the words I was thinking Brian but I don't want to get in trouble. Gaston Glock couldn't carry JMB's jock strap in any area of anything.
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Is Gaston Glock on the same level as John Browning?
With all due respect of Hr. Glock.....

NO.

Never in a million years.

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I disagree with everyone here. John Browning NEVER was never talented enough to design a pistol that shot a projectile down the barrel while at the same time geometrically eject a casing that will strike you right between the eyes. Gaston has that market cornered.



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Old 02-07-2013, 18:01   #42
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With all due respect to Gaston, I believe John Browning to be unsurpassed by anyone ever in this field...

Go through Browning's achievement and products concieved by his own mind and built by his own hands, and you can find a group of guns to handle any need from small game, to african dangerous, to shooting down enemy aircraft...

I don't belive their is a firearm designer even to this day that doesn't have a John M. Browning portrait tattooed on at least one butt cheek..
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Old 02-07-2013, 18:03   #43
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Nope. Glock has designed basically one pistol. Changing the caliber, barrel or grip length does not make it a new weapon. He did design a good one (or at least whoever he hired did), but that doesn't begin to compare with Brownings contributions to weapons design.
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Without John Browning, there would be no Glock pistol.
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Without John Browning, there would be no Glock pistol.
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Old 02-07-2013, 18:37   #46
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I disagree with everyone here. John Browning NEVER was never talented enough to design a pistol that shot a projectile down the barrel while at the same time geometrically eject a casing that will strike you right between the eyes. Gaston has that market cornered.



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But didn't some of his lever and pump action rifle designs do just that?


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Old 02-07-2013, 18:49   #47
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What has GG done since the G17? Honestly nothing but shorten this our that part. Great design no doubt but it is just that, a single design.

JMB......Taking away the 1911 (which I personally believe was designed by the Almighty himself and not JMB!) JMB still has this bad boy in his corner among many many others.

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This alone rockets him past GG in firearms design. Almost 100 years old and still the king of MGs in todays world.

GG may or may not still have his designs still in use 100 years after their design, JMB has several still in use, and not going anywhere soon.
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But didn't some of his lever and pump action rifle designs do just that?


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Note the "At the same time..."

He could never get his semi designs to do it, no matter how hard he tried.
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Interesting side note on Gaston Glock; It is said that he test fired his G1, G2, G3 etc etc, with his left hand in case of catastrophic failure.
Even a curtain rod maker with a chip on his shoulder should have been able to figure out a remote firing system. But so goes the tale...
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No. John Browning was a firearms master. His designs were radically apart from anything else being done in his day. He came as close to re-inventing firearms as anyone in history has. His lock-breech design is used in virtually every semi-auto pistol to this day, including Glock.


Gaston Glock is a toolmaker who made a fantastic, and utterly reliable tool which shoots bullets. I would say Gaston's most important contribution has been in materials which pistols (now) are made out of, and precision manufacturing.
Not really. Glock missed making the first plastic firearm by many years. Everyone talks about innovation, but it wasnt really that innovative.
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