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Old 02-06-2013, 09:34   #51
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Yes it's a shot to the pelvis to drop someone. Somtimes referred to as a "mobility stop". But a famous F.B.I. Agent from many years ago named Jelly Bryce once was heard to say somethimg to the effect of "I have never shot a man in the nuts and had him stand up afterwards".
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:36   #52
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Never noticed the "shoot'em in the nutz" kill box before....Very high speed and low drag...
Pelvic girdle. If you are shooting at the level some of those guys shoot, it is a good place to put someone down without killing them. They'll probably be ****ting in a bag, but they can be squeezed for intel.

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Old 02-06-2013, 11:53   #53
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Personally I would rather our military use an American gun manufacture.


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Old 02-06-2013, 15:01   #54
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I would take a 17 or 19 over the M9 any day of the week.
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Old 02-06-2013, 16:44   #55
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Just because something is made in america does not make it the best.
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Old 02-06-2013, 18:05   #56
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When I was in the Marine Corps during the time we were playing Policemen in SE Asia, in the Republic of Viet Nam. U.S.M.C. Force Recon had their own armory, and it was pack full of stuff line Marine did not have. The M-14 was replaced with the M-16 for Line aka Grunt Marines, but the Force Recon Teams carried the M-16, Mini 16's, M-14's, BAR's, and even a few chose to carry AK-47's and other interesting things.

Just don’t get you panties wet if you see some Special Forces Personal carrying Unconventional Weapons, as they are Special People who have a lot more training than the want to be Keyboard Commandos on Gun Forums.

Most of the Special Op Personal will never brag about what they did, how many kills they had, or were they were. If they have chest full of medals it is from doing a job well, being recognized for what was just doing their job, and most care little about the recognition, or the medals.
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Old 02-06-2013, 18:22   #57
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When I was in the Marine Corps during the time we were playing Policemen in SE Asia, in the Republic of Viet Nam. U.S.M.C. Force Recon had their own armory, and it was pack full of stuff line Marine did not have. The M-14 was replaced with the M-16 for Line aka Grunt Marines, but the Force Recon Teams carried the M-16, Mini 16's, M-14's, BAR's, and even a few chose to carry AK-47's and other interesting things.

Just don’t get you panties wet if you see some Special Forces Personal carrying Unconventional Weapons, as they are Special People who have a lot more training than the want to be Keyboard Commandos on Gun Forums.

Most of the Special Op Personal will never brag about what they did, how many kills they had, or were they were. If they have chest full of medals it is from doing a job well, being recognized for what was just doing their job, and most care little about the recognition, or the medals.

Wow dude. I am going to assume English is not your first language. lol
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Old 02-06-2013, 19:15   #58
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Nothing wrong with the Glock but why pay to replace the Berettas in use when they serve perfectly fine? I really don't see any benefit to doing so.
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Old 02-07-2013, 17:59   #59
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Wow dude. I am going to assume English is not your first language. lol
Nope English was shall we say not my best subject in School, but I got to retire at 50 from years of self employment. So what I was good at paid off....LOL
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Old 02-07-2013, 18:01   #60
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Some Glocks are now made in GA USA.
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Old 02-07-2013, 19:14   #61
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And BTW the NSN for a Glock 17 is
NSN 1005-01-571-9875
I stand corrected. that NSN is for a glock 19
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Old 02-07-2013, 19:18   #62
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I stand corrected. that NSN is for a glock 19
Glock 17 is NSN 1005-01-426-0608

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Old 02-07-2013, 19:21   #63
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I was also able to find the NSN for a glock 26 1005-01-559-0724 I cant find anything on any 40 S&W models.
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Old 02-07-2013, 19:28   #64
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Just for ****s and giggles while looking though current NSN's i found this 1005-01-X90-2685 RIFLE, 1903 SERIES: 30 CAL 1903 MK1. I wonder what would happened if i orded one.
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Old 02-07-2013, 19:58   #65
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Just for ****s and giggles while looking though current NSN's i found this 1005-01-X90-2685 RIFLE, 1903 SERIES: 30 CAL 1903 MK1. I wonder what would happened if i orded one.
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Old 02-07-2013, 20:15   #66
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I'm all for "America first" BUT...let's review. Who made the SAW that has served so many units so faithfully? Wasn't that FN? Who originally desgned and made all the Sigs so many SpecOps units hold so dear?

Personally I would rather see our military use the best weapons available. If it was your life on the line...no matter the maker...wouldn't you want what was rated among the best?

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Old 02-07-2013, 20:23   #67
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Carrying Glocks or similar designs makes sense for the military for the same reasons that it makes sense for civilians. Glocks are light, they hold a lot of rounds, and they work. Whether you're on an assault team or going to the grocery store, saving weight where you can is attractive.
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Old 02-07-2013, 20:29   #68
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That's not it at all. The military would love to have Glocks but in order to supply the US military, the design has to be open sourced. The army for example buys m-4s from several different suppliers, because they dont want the risk of one source drying up and their being left high and dry on their supply.

Glock has refused to do this, and why shouldn't they? They have more than enough business world wide and they are still backordered. Hell, everyone uses them but us.

Special Forces bypasses normal military channels for procurement; they get whatever they want with a huge budget to boot. So that is why you will see them with HK-416s, glocks, 1911s, or whatever else they feel like.
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:25   #69
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Open source

Not trying to be confrontational,but if these firearms have to be open sourced who else makes the beretta m9?
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:30   #70
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Oops!

Nevermind. Apparently I skipped a page.
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Old 03-26-2013, 20:37   #71
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What model/caliber is it?
In that pic he's an SFARTAETC Instructor, they use Glock 19's - students who graduate the course normally end up assigned to their Group's designated CIF where they also issue Glock 19's (some also have a small number of 1911's, not as popuplar a weapon as internet lore would have you believe, just not as reliable a weapon). A lot of the teams (SF) have Glock 19's and 26's, you don't see too many G17's in use. As is known there are other elements in USASOC that also use Glocks, one in specific that previously issued 1911's but now issues Glocks as primary sidearm in various calibers. You can PM if you have any other Q's - have a good week!

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Old 03-26-2013, 20:47   #72
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A lot of the teams (SF) have Glock 19's and 26's, you don't see too many G17's in use.
Wow! I would love to see pocs of the SF using the G26 in action, cool, Now I love even more my G26!
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Old 03-26-2013, 21:02   #73
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Wow! I would love to see pocs of the SF using the G26 in action, cool, Now I love even more my G26!
They're used in smaller numbers, a deep concealment/plainclothes piece for when you'd need that in a weapon say if you're doing SR/Recce type tasks - they're good what they are. SF and MARSOC have them and a few other units that need that in a weapon, on some posts you'll even see CID Agents carrying Glocks.

Give me a sec, I'll see if I can PM you a pic.

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Old 03-26-2013, 22:41   #74
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The USCG uses a Berretta but not the M9 PX 4 ? anybody know?
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Old 03-26-2013, 22:56   #75
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USCG still has SMALL numbers of M9's for specific assignments, they issue Sig P229R DAK's in .40 ever since they got made a part of DHS....
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