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Old 02-03-2013, 12:41   #251
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But FWIW, my second favorite probably is my G20SF, but partly because I have a 6" KKM barrel and aftermarket rod/spring and adjustable night sights, and it's basically a 16-shot .41 Mag without the recoil.

My G27 might be my favorite all-around compromise gun in terms of weight, size, power, and capacity.

But that USP Expert is a work of art--though I know it's not a standard service auto. No one can complain about that trigger. The only other guns I have that seem to be made as well are maybe a couple Weatherby Mark Vs and a Freedom Arms PG M83 in .454.

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Old 02-03-2013, 12:45   #252
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Just to show how handsome it is even compared to my standard USP:

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Old 02-03-2013, 17:52   #253
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U guys wanna feel a pistol with the BEST ergo's and an absolutely great trigger? Get ur paws in one.
I found one locally the other day for a great price. I came back a couple of days later to get it, and a guy was just walking out the door with it in hand. Ya snooze ya lose, so they say.
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Old 02-03-2013, 19:47   #254
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I own both HK and Glock pistols...several of each. I've shot thousands of rounds through each brand. I would have to say the HK pistols I've owned are more accurate than the Glock pistols I've owned. However, the slight increase in accuracy isn't enough to prohibit me from carrying a Glock. I own more Glocks than HK pistols and absolutely love them. I've carried one particular Gen-2 G19 off and on for the last 20 years. However, for the last several years my carry gun has been an HK P30 and I don't plan on changing anytime soon. If I ever went back to a Glock, it would be to the G19.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:28   #255
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I own both HK and Glock pistols...several of each. I've shot thousands of rounds through each brand. I would have to say the HK pistols I've owned are more accurate than the Glock pistols I've owned. However, the slight increase in accuracy isn't enough to prohibit me from carrying a Glock. I own more Glocks than HK pistols and absolutely love them. I've carried one particular Gen-2 G19 off and on for the last 20 years. However, for the last several years my carry gun has been an HK P30 and I don't plan on changing anytime soon. If I ever went back to a Glock, it would be to the G19.
I've got a gen 3 G27 and five HKs.
Fourteen handguns total.
My G27 is a fine weapon that I carrried for some time.
For the money Glocks are hard to beat.

But I really do think HKs are worth every penny they cost.
And my HK P2000SK 40 Light LEM has replaced my tricked out Glock G27.

It's just a better firearm.
And I deserve the best!

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Old 02-04-2013, 05:59   #256
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I've got a gen 3 G27 and five HKs.
Fourteen handguns total.
My G27 is a fine weapon that I carrried for some time.
For the money Glocks are hard to beat.

But I really do think HKs are worth every penny they cost.
And my HK P2000SK 40 Light LEM has replaced my tricked out Glock G27.

It's just a better firearm.
And I deserve the best!
Lol. That's funny. And so true.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:11   #257
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:41   #258
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Haha. I didn't know we were tellin jokes on here too. I have one.... A 1911 a glock, and a revolver walked into a bar.............


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Old 02-04-2013, 22:23   #259
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I have owned several of both. I'm no sort of operator, but I don't believe that HK pistols are superior to any glock. Both have been reliable, both accurate, both durable. From a performance standpoint, my USP .40 and USP .45 were hardly worth twice as much as my glocks. Just my opinion.

Are they fine pieces of engineering? Of course. They are elegant, quality, and aesthetically pleasing firearms, but my glocks do just as good a a job as my HKs for half the price. Any real firearms guy can put the brand bravado aside and see that.


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Old 02-05-2013, 14:59   #260
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I have owned several of both. I'm no sort of operator, but I don't believe that HK pistols are superior to any glock. Both have been reliable, both accurate, both durable. From a performance standpoint, my USP .40 and USP .45 were hardly worth twice as much as my glocks. Just my opinion.

Are they fine pieces of engineering? Of course. They are elegant, quality, and aesthetically pleasing firearms, but my glocks do just as good a a job as my HKs for half the price. Any real firearms guy can put the brand bravado aside and see that.


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My P2000SK 40, in my hands, is more accurate,
has less felt recoil and is more reliable than my gen 3 G27.
No bravado. Just reality.

(I've had a few hard primers that fired with a second strike)

Even "real firearms guys" may not have the same experiences.
Or see things the same way.

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Old 02-05-2013, 15:10   #261
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Given the choice, I'll pay the extra & drive the E Class.


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Old 02-05-2013, 15:58   #262
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If ur gonna compare guns felt recoil and accuracy atleast compare alike sizes, barrel length, and weight.


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Old 02-05-2013, 16:18   #263
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If ur gonna compare guns felt recoil and accuracy atleast compare alike sizes, barrel length, and weight.
The HK is a little heavier and has a shorter barrel.
Physically they are about as close as you're going to get to a perfect match.
I own and have shot thousands of rounds from both.
It's a fair comparison to me.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:02   #264
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If ur gonna compare guns felt recoil and accuracy atleast compare alike sizes, barrel length, and weight.
I was,......compare specs of the P30 with a G19.
I do believe they are very close.
Have fun with the endless debate.
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Old 02-05-2013, 20:23   #265
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My bad Barth, I thought u had the bigger H&K, I guess the v3?. Carry on.....


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Old 02-05-2013, 20:37   #266
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LOL - No Problemo.
V2 converted to V1 Light LEM.
4.5 lbs DAO trigger.

And don't get me wrong.
I love my tricked out Glock G27.
It's not going anywhere.
And for the money - I too believe it's hard to beat a Glock.
They are fine weapons for sure.
I'd be happy carrying one.

I'm lucky enough to have a selection of excellent handguns to choose from.

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Old 02-05-2013, 21:25   #267
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Even "real firearms guys" may not have the same experiences.
Or see things the same way.
i agree.

just because my glocks have been just as reliable as my HKs, doesnt mean yours are. as with most mass produced products, YMMV. im far from a bullseye shooter, but my groups are really no tighter with my USPs than with my glocks. i personally feel that my HK triggers suck. pure opinion. they are cool pistols, but i just dont feel their performance is worth twice as much as what i get from my glocks. thats all just my personal opinion. Id trade my USP .40 for a gen 4 g23 right this second. dead serious. pm me if you have one and really feel that they are inferior to HK USPs...
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:12   #268
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Very well said and awesome pic !!!!
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I have found the opposite to be true. On a Ransom rest my G19 was more accurate every time by a small margin than my USP 9 was. The HK is definitely nicer looking, and has better fit and finish. Early on the HK had 2 FTEs while my Glock has had none. While I do like the HK pistols quite a bit, there really is no justification of their higher price when looking solely at performance. If you prefer to pay nearly double the price for aesthetics or how the grip fits you, then it's a different story. I love both Glock and HK, but comparing either to a BMW/Merc/Audi is laughable. That role should be left to the nicer Smith revolvers, 1911s, Hi-powers, and other guns with nice bluing and wood.
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Old 02-20-2013, 17:46   #270
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Über-accurate compared to a Glock? Seriously?
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HK=Best polymer handgun period

Coming in second place is Glock.

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HK=Best polymer handgun period

Coming in second place is Glock.

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Opinions, opinions.... Mine goes like this. Polymers
1- walther
2- glock
3- Springfield xd
4- H&K

Yes I own all of them. Reason is I think striker fired pistols are far superior to hammer fired ones. Not to mention initial cost, it's hard to justify 1k on a pistol that doesn't beat a 500$ one in any category except for "cool factor".
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Old 02-25-2013, 22:33   #273
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I found a HK USP 40, used 540.00. I can deal with the cool factor.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:12   #274
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I found a HK USP 40, used 540.00. I can deal with the cool factor.
Bought two NIB P2000 357 Sig LEM guns for $649 each.
I'll put them up against any gun at any price.
They are way more than cool on every level.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:14   #275
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Über-accurate compared to a Glock? Seriously?
Seriously!
No idea why some of you guys feel compelled to pic an argument
and post smart *** remarks. State your opinion and move on.

I am not you, my opinions and experiences WILL differ!

I shoot a P30 a lot more accurately than a Glock.
I shoot a 1911 a lot more accurately than an HK.
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