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Old 02-04-2013, 22:24   #1
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CA vs Texas - The Throw-down

The news story and ad are in the link

"A radio ad designed to convince California companies to move to Texas has sparked a throw-down between the governors of the two states."

http://www.sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...sinesses-away/






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Old 02-04-2013, 22:28   #2
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The governor says everyone “with half a brain” is coming to California...
Yep companies with half a brain are coming to Kali!

Companies with more than 1/2 a brain have been leaving for 30 years!
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Old 02-04-2013, 23:46   #3
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Yeah the dialectical materialist scum that are regulating the hell out of this state are too Dim to see any connection between their policies and businesses leaving the state. Texas, Pennsylvania and a few other states have ads actively recruiting CA businesses.
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Old 02-04-2013, 23:57   #4
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Companies with more than 1/2 a brain have been leaving for 30 years!
Like... Google and Apple and Facebook? The revenues of the three companies added together are greater than the GDP of New Zealand.

Intel? HP? There's another hundred-odd billion.

Then of course there's companies like Chevron (~$250B, bigger than the economy of Ireland or Israel) which, as some may remember, bought Texaco but decided to dump the Texaco name and remain headquartered in CA, not TX.

Texas is a great state--my wife's family is from there, and I love to visit--but denying that California is home to some of the world's biggest companies is just ignorant.
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:08   #5
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I used to live in the middle of the Silicon Valley and tech ran through everything. Just like how West LA/Hollywood is run by the entertainment industry.

Now the rest of the state needs to worry about companies leaving for TX but that is for completely different reasons than what people outside of CA think.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:40   #6
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Like... Google and Apple and Facebook? The revenues of the three companies added together are greater than the GDP of New Zealand.

Intel? HP? There's another hundred-odd billion.

Then of course there's companies like Chevron (~$250B, bigger than the economy of Ireland or Israel) which, as some may remember, bought Texaco but decided to dump the Texaco name and remain headquartered in CA, not TX.

Texas is a great state--my wife's family is from there, and I love to visit--but denying that California is home to some of the world's biggest companies is just ignorant.
Denying that California policies are not business friendly would be ignorant as well. http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.c...ff-the-lights/
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:17   #7
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http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2130362189001/

Recent episode of Stossel on this.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:06   #8
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Denying that California policies are not business friendly would be ignorant as well.
Despite the high taxes and stifling regulations, California is home to companies which are larger than the entire economies of most states. Apple alone is bigger than the entire economy of Arkansas. HP is bigger than Utah. These are mathematical facts.
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I used to live in the middle of the Silicon Valley and tech ran through everything. Just like how West LA/Hollywood is run by the entertainment industry.

Now the rest of the state needs to worry about companies leaving for TX but that is for completely different reasons than what people outside of CA think.
It's the same reason that most gun makers are located in and around New England - that is where the talent base is and where the supplier base is.

Some tech companies have relocated to - get this - North Dakota! They call the area "Silicone Prarie" and it has attracted quite a few companies. I don't think any of the big ones have moved yet though.

Google, Intel and other companies may not leave California, and may have high net worths, but how many jobs can they support? Unless California goes full socialist these companies cannot support the entire state.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:26   #10
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Despite the high taxes and stifling regulations, California is home to companies which are larger than the entire economies of most states. Apple alone is bigger than the entire economy of Arkansas. HP is bigger than Utah. These are mathematical facts.
I think you are, obliquely, hitting on the key point how Calif is hurting itself. A very large co's. aggregate tax load is not defined by where it's HQ is located. It's small and medium sized Cali. companies that are being crucified. People of means and many companies really are leaving Cali.

Cali and NY really hammered Texas during the oil and S&L busts of the '80s. I feel ZERO remorse for Texas hammering both places now.

It's not all gold dust and lollypops in Texas tho. A good number of economic refugees from Ohio, Illinois, Cali, NY, FL and others arrive in Texas with no skills or very low skills - in the long run that's going to hurt our state.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:06   #11
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Not to contradict DD, but Google (Dallas), HP (Houston) and Toshiba (Houston) have rather sizable presences here in Texas. Also, Microsoft has a large enclave just a few miles from my house - and if they purchase Dell, which was in the news today, that'll give them a large presence outside of Austin.

Not sure how many large Texas companies have presences in or are buying companies based in California. Not saying they don't exist, just that I dont know of any.
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A good number of economic refugees from Ohio, Illinois, Cali, NY, FL and others arrive in Texas with no skills or very low skills - in the long run that's going to hurt our state.
My worst fear is Texas turning purple...then blue . The mayor of San Antonio (D) is talking about it all the time.

I hope the refugees realize why Texas is better than their home states and don't vote like their home states.
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Close the western, northern and eastern Texas borders RIGHT NOW!!!....

The liberally oppressive, tax and spend governments of California and the east coast states were voted into office by the very same refugees that now flock to Texas to escape their evil creation.

People get the government they vote into office.

These people will destroy Texas, so we need to turn them back at the state line before they can infest Texas with their liberal diseases.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:27   #14
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Personally, I don't want anyone from CA or NY of NJ or any other blue state to come here. Stay away. We have enuff companies here. You can keep Apple. Heck you need to take your people home that reside in Austin, Dallas, SA, and Houston.
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Personally, I don't want anyone from CA or NY of NJ or any other blue state to come here. Stay away. We have enuff companies here. You can keep Apple. Heck you need to take your people home that reside in Austin, Dallas, SA, and Houston.
They'll come a time when Texas will wish they never got anything from Ca. The Southern states of NC,SC,Ga. experienced a boom in the 80s of businesses flocking to the I-85 corridor. Everyone thought it was great for a while until the conservative culture many held dear was washed away by people flocking in from all over the world to get the jobs. I'm a life-long resident of NC&SC and I would take the "old South" anyday over the mess of pottage we have now.
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Despite the high taxes and stifling regulations, California is home to companies which are larger than the entire economies of most states. Apple alone is bigger than the entire economy of Arkansas. HP is bigger than Utah. These are mathematical facts.
And it's a matter of time before they decide they have had enough of the BS and pack bags and leave too. Bethlehem Steel was once one of the most profitable steel manufactures in the United States... we still need steel, where is Bethlehem now?
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:25   #17
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Senator Ted Cruz Invites Banks & Gun Manufacturers Harassed By Mayor Rahm Emanuel To Come To Texas

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I work for Intel, and I know there is a big Intel campus in
Austin. Also a few smaller satellite campuses around
Austin. As for moving to TX, I am considering making it my
official residence, moving from WI, to escape winter and
high state taxes. Six months + 1 day living in TX during
the cold months, and back to the north woods for
summer. I have spent some summers in TX, in the USAF,
and I don't need to that again.

Anyway, no danger of me turning the state bluer, or
even purpler. I am a gun toting, Tea Party loving,
Constitution defending, hard core conservative! I heard
there is space for me in Texas. Oh my wife is even a
bit more radical that me, and she carries an M&P 9.
I question her choice in pistols, but not her politics!

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The problem with trying to attract California businesses to other states is the Californians who follow.

At least a Texan is always a Texan. I've met quite a few Californians who move somewhere else and claim that is where they are from, even when they still have CA plates on their cars.
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Close the western, northern and eastern Texas borders RIGHT NOW!!!....

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No offense, I think they should close the southern border with Mexico first. It is more of an immediate threat.

Those people from Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, and Arizona are not so bad, if they could keep those from the East and West coast from passing through. I am sure so would raise an eyebrow at letting those people in as well, but mostly they are good people that know that we are meant to be able to defend ourselves.
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I work for Intel, and I know there is a big Intel campus in
Austin. Also a few smaller satellite campuses around
Austin. As for moving to TX, I am considering making it my
official residence, moving from WI, to escape winter and
high state taxes. Six months + 1 day living in TX during
the cold months, and back to the north woods for
summer. I have spent some summers in TX, in the USAF,
and I don't need to that again.

Anyway, no danger of me turning the state bluer, or
even purpler. I am a gun toting, Tea Party loving,
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there is space for me in Texas. Oh my wife is even a
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texas should invite companies worth less than 100kk.
smaller companies are more agile and less encumbered by stifling work envrionments.
multibillion dollar companies tend to want to spread their clout.
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It's the same reason that most gun makers are located in and around New England - that is where the talent base is and where the supplier base is.

Some tech companies have relocated to - get this - North Dakota! They call the area "Silicone Prarie" and it has attracted quite a few companies. I don't think any of the big ones have moved yet though.

Google, Intel and other companies may not leave California, and may have high net worths, but how many jobs can they support? Unless California goes full socialist these companies cannot support the entire state.
CA's population growth is slowing now. I think it is because the "good" jobs are not growing as much as they used to. The lower paying jobs are pretty much topping off too. How many ag and service workers do you need to add as the state slows down in growth?

As far as the big boys go they aren't going to leave anytime soon. There are 10,000 Applied Materials employees in Santa Clara alone. Forget Milpitas, Sunnyvale, San Mateo, etc.

Like .264 mag said it is the small to mid size companies that have the most incentive to leave. They are most likely to leave with expansion, then HQ leaving.

The big boys are less likely to leave because they can afford it and they want that "Silicon Valley" address on their products or services. The cities around here fight over who truly is "The Capital of the Silicon Valley." It really is the region, mostly in Santa Clara county with San Mateo and Alameda counties getting a little piece of the action.

the Silicon Valley is also closest to Asia. With three international airports all within an hours drive of each other and right on the West Coast there is no way TX can compete with that. Sure the big guys can add on a few extra hours of the flight but all of the drones doing the work are going to add on connecting flights which costs time and money.

The real problem is east vs. west in CA. West is very urban and either tech or entertainment driven. East is ag based. Very different folks and very different ways of life.
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CA's population growth is slowing now. I think it is because the "good" jobs are not growing as much as they used to. The lower paying jobs are pretty much topping off too. How many ag and service workers do you need to add as the state slows down in growth?

As far as the big boys go they aren't going to leave anytime soon. There are 10,000 Applied Materials employees in Santa Clara alone. Forget Milpitas, Sunnyvale, San Mateo, etc.

Like .264 mag said it is the small to mid size companies that have the most incentive to leave. They are most likely to leave with expansion, then HQ leaving.

The big boys are less likely to leave because they can afford it and they want that "Silicon Valley" address on their products or services. The cities around here fight over who truly is "The Capital of the Silicon Valley." It really is the region, mostly in Santa Clara county with San Mateo and Alameda counties getting a little piece of the action.

the Silicon Valley is also closest to Asia. With three international airports all within an hours drive of each other and right on the West Coast there is no way TX can compete with that. Sure the big guys can add on a few extra hours of the flight but all of the drones doing the work are going to add on connecting flights which costs time and money.

The real problem is east vs. west in CA. West is very urban and either tech or entertainment driven. East is ag based. Very different folks and very different ways of life.
Right, and just how hard will it be to add non-stop to DFW and AUS if there is a demand. The airline industry is flexible enough to accommodate demand, it does not dictate demand.

The peoples republic of Kalifornia was once the mecca for young people wanting to make something of themselves, that time has passed. Look around the world. Many former desirable locations have become cesspools. Kalifornia is America's Greece.
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Right, and just how hard will it be to add non-stop to DFW and AUS if there is a demand. The airline industry is flexible enough to accommodate demand, it does not dictate demand.

The peoples republic of Kalifornia was once the mecca for young people wanting to make something of themselves, that time has passed. Look around the world. Many former desirable locations have become cesspools. Kalifornia is America's Greece.
IIRC there is a non-skid to and from DFW to Sydney now. I like Cali more than many wine country, SF and SD are regular stops for us. That said they need to pull their collective act together of Cali. will continue to decline.
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