GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-02-2013, 13:01   #26
VinnieD
Senior Member
 
VinnieD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 994
The tradition of men giving women jewelry as engagement, wedding, and anniversary gifts began around the same time as divorce, so that if the man divorced his wife the woman could sell the jewelry as a means of supporting herself for a while. So the protocol is, she keeps the ring as compensation for the broken promise.
__________________
"Use more gun." -The Engineer- (Team Fortress 2)
http://gungeekfrag.tumblr.com
VinnieD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2013, 13:12   #27
BUICKSPEC6231
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 51
She keeps the ring. He offered the ring to her as an engagement. Many courts have ruled that the exchange of engagement ring is the same as a written and signed contract. By him breaking the "contract" off, he has violated the agreement and has to suffer the loss.
BUICKSPEC6231 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2013, 14:00   #28
GVFlyer
Senior Member
 
GVFlyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Somewhere in the air.
Posts: 6,587
My response that it was good form to return the ring reflected the laws of etiquette which absolutely require you to return an engagement ring when the engagement is broken.

The laws of most states classify an engagement ring as a conditional gift and also require the return of the ring.

"Conditional gifts are the exception to the rule that gifts cannot be revoked if given properly. Though the receiver may be able to prove that the engagement ring was a gift, the ring could still be returned to the giver if the court considers the engagement ring a conditional gift.

A conditional gift is one where the giver gives the gift to the receiver with the expectation that some future event or action will take place. If the agreed-upon event does not occur or the agreed-upon condition is not met, then the gift-giver has the right to get the gift back. The majority of courts classify engagement rings as a conditional gift, and award the engagement ring to the giver in broken engagement cases."
__________________
The Truth Only Hurts If It Should.

http://www.specialops.org/

Last edited by GVFlyer; 02-02-2013 at 14:01..
GVFlyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2013, 14:39   #29
Buki192327
Senior Member
 
Buki192327's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S W Ohio, blowin in the wind
Posts: 5,490
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren View Post
The standard protocol is, "if she breaks up she gives back the ring, if he breaks up she keeps it."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinytop View Post
Yup, that's the way I have always understood it. I will concede special circumstances such as bad behavior could change the rules.
__________________
:crying:Too soon Old, Too late smart:wow:

www.BuckeyeFirearms.org

Sub Club #46
Buki192327 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2013, 14:59   #30
Zonny
Senior Member
 
Zonny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 14,162


Sticking it up is ass is what comes to mind for me.
Zonny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 11:22   #31
Texas357
CLM Number 224
Señor Member
 
Texas357's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: CCTX
Posts: 10,042
This is why family heirloons shouldn't be used as engagement rings. He gave it to her, HE broke it off, SHE gets to pawn it or drop it off a bridge, as she sees fit.
__________________
"The more ignorant the individual, the more credulous he becomes, and the more prone to believe in the fearful and satanic nature of the many things that pass his comprehension." - Charles W. Olliver


"I nominate you for President of Texas!" - Dr. Octagon
"I accept your nomination, and thank you for your vote."- Texas357
Texas357 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 12:26   #32
Wyoming
Senior Member
 
Wyoming's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Southwest Wyoming
Posts: 1,850
Send a message via Yahoo to Wyoming
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren View Post
The standard protocol is, "if she breaks up she gives back the ring, if he breaks up she keeps it."
Okie this has always been the correct protocol.

Maybe in today's world anything goes but to ask for the ring back is very low class.
__________________
Wyoming
Wyoming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 13:20   #33
Bruce H
Senior Member
 
Bruce H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: missouri
Posts: 4,516
Oh she should give it back allright. Place it over his manhood, lay manhood on an anvil and hit it three times with a four pound hammer so it won't fall off.
__________________
I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once.
Bruce H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 19:48   #34
railfancwb
Senior Member
 
railfancwb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Shelbyville, Tennessee TN
Posts: 3,823
In fairness to the guy, if his wife recently died, the whole series of events may be part of his grieving and coming to terms with his loss. Same thing ma happen to GF two. But that I think he should expect the ring(s) back...


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
__________________
"Never give to your friend any power that your enemy may some day inherit." -- Paul Weyrich
railfancwb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 21:00   #35
Wyoming
Senior Member
 
Wyoming's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Southwest Wyoming
Posts: 1,850
Send a message via Yahoo to Wyoming
Quote:
Originally Posted by railfancwb View Post
In fairness to the guy, if his wife recently died, the whole series of events may be part of his grieving and coming to terms with his loss. Same thing ma happen to GF two. But that I think he should expect the ring(s) back...


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
I lost my first wife at the age of 37. it hurt a lot but it is no excuse for treating some one else poorly.

What he did is break his word. He asked her to marry him and gave her a engagement ring. He later broke off the engagement which in it self is OK but to ask for or expect the engagement ring back is wrong.
__________________
Wyoming
Wyoming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 21:04   #36
Never Nervous
Senior Member
 
Never Nervous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Metro ATL
Posts: 2,228
Tell him to pound sand. Don't know if that's protocol.

NN
__________________
____________________________________________
"Religion is for people who are afraid to go to hell. Spiritually is for people who have already been there."
Never Nervous is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 07:11   #37
okie
GT Mayor
 
okie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Muskogee Ok.
Posts: 129,520


Quote:
Originally Posted by Never Nervous View Post
Tell him to pound sand. Don't know if that's protocol.

NN
May as well be, huh
__________________
Don't dial 911, dial 1911
If you don't stand behind our troops, PLEASE feel free to stand in front of them!
Schiit audio, everything else ain't.
okie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 07:17   #38
Haldor
Retired EE
 
Haldor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Central Arizona
Posts: 5,539
Quote:
Originally Posted by okie View Post
This man I grew up around, his wife died, and he started dating another woman. After a short time he asked her for her hand in marriage and give her a ring and they set the date for like 6 months down the road. A few months later he meets a lady that was prettier than his girlfriend and she also had money. He dumps the lady and marries the new lady, he also went to old GF and asked for ring back. Is this lady obligated to give him the ring back or does she kick him in the nuts and say "Get thee away from me Satan"
The woman did nothing wrong. He broke the engagement. She keeps the ring.

That is why Moissanite was invented. You would have to be an idiot to spend serious money on a rock.

www.moissanite.com
__________________
Quote:
Guys! Guys! He's down! Stop kicking him! If he shows up on another thread, Tasers are indicated, but for now, let him slink off into the shadows to lick his wounds and ponder how deeply cool and misunderstood he is!
Hoot nred Mrs. Vr.
Haldor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 07:29   #39
Dennis in MA
Get off my lawn
 
Dennis in MA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Taunton, MA
Posts: 52,502
Quote:
Originally Posted by HKLovingIT View Post
I believe since he broke off the engagement, barring misconduct on her part, she should keep the ring.

If a woman breaks off an engagement, again barring misconduct, she should give the ring back.

Misconduct or good cause to break it off, to me defined as cheating or lying about something very material to marriage like already being married, lying about a prior engagement or marriage, a huge mountain of hidden debt, lying about being able to have kids if that was a consideration, etc.

If you just get cold feet or change your mind, that's fine. No one should get married if they don't want to, but the decent thing to do is give up or give back the ring as the case may be.
This.

She needs to do a Number 6 on his sorry behind. Then find a large man to rape him at the Number 6 Dance later that night.
__________________
The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.
Dennis in MA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 06:55   #40
okie
GT Mayor
 
okie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Muskogee Ok.
Posts: 129,520


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis in MA View Post
This.

She needs to do a Number 6 on his sorry behind. Then find a large man to rape him at the Number 6 Dance later that night.
Do I dare ask what a Number 6 is
__________________
Don't dial 911, dial 1911
If you don't stand behind our troops, PLEASE feel free to stand in front of them!
Schiit audio, everything else ain't.
okie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 07:02   #41
Mayhem like Me
Semper Paratus
 
Mayhem like Me's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 15,161
Blog Entries: 3
As Yoda would say..


The story....only one side we have........
__________________
How do you establish intent?
Well when a naked man is chasing a woman down an alley with a butcher knife and a hard on, I figure he's not collecting for the red cross...Inspector H. Callahan
Mayhem like Me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 07:27   #42
Atlas
transmogrifier
 
Atlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: north of the equator
Posts: 14,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by okie View Post
Do I dare ask what a Number 6 is


Ask this guy...

Okie Memorial Area
__________________
June 28, 2012: the day the American republic died.

Uncontrolled, unaccountable government spending + Graduated income-tax = SLAVERY
Atlas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 10:59   #43
sappy13
Senior Member
 
sappy13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Bremen, GA
Posts: 2,732
I think she keeps the ring since he broke it off and she didnt do anything wrong. If she had broken it off and he hadnt done anything wrong, then he deserves the ring back. If she just breaks it off for the hell of it, im really not sure. Seems like she should give it back though since it was her call to end it in that last scenario

Okie, so does this mean you got a hot new babe and tons of money for more guns?

Last edited by sappy13; 02-05-2013 at 11:00..
sappy13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 11:26   #44
xArcher
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Some 'stan'
Posts: 271
Blog Entries: 1
what does Dear Abbey say?
xArcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 21:17   #45
Doc McGlock
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Blog Entries: 1
"My precious!"

Why does this thread remind me of a movie?

Doc
Doc McGlock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 12:45   #46
jpa
CLM Number 268
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Las Vegas NV
Posts: 10,117
Send a message via AIM to jpa Send a message via Yahoo to jpa
According to Judge Judy, the ring is given in contemplation of marriage. If that contemplation is no longer in the cards, the ring belongs to the one who proposed and needs to be returned.

Just like putting a deposit on a special order item at a store. If you cancel the order, you get your deposit back.
__________________
Big Dawg #1408, TT #1408
Moto Club #1408, GSSF Member, NRA RSO
NRA Benefactor Member
jpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 12:49   #47
Dennis in MA
Get off my lawn
 
Dennis in MA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Taunton, MA
Posts: 52,502
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpa View Post
According to Judge Judy, the ring is given in contemplation of marriage. If that contemplation is no longer in the cards, the ring belongs to the one who proposed and needs to be returned.

Just like putting a deposit on a special order item at a store. If you cancel the order, you get your deposit back.
Only if the contemplee is the one that backs out.

I put a deposit on a house. I decide a month later, through no problems with inspection or my financing, that I'm backing out, I lose my deposit. Same here. What sort of items are you buying that you get your deposit back on???? If you came into my store, I'd tell you to pound sand. You don't get your deposit back - that's what it's for - in case you back out.
__________________
The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.
Dennis in MA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 13:02   #48
JMS
02
 
JMS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 8,065
Quote:
Originally Posted by xArcher View Post
what does Dear Abbey say?
Not much.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1241988
__________________

JMS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 13:03   #49
JMS
02
 
JMS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 8,065
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyoming View Post
to ask for the ring back is very low class.
As opposed to the rest of his behavior?
__________________

JMS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 13:19   #50
GVFlyer
Senior Member
 
GVFlyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Somewhere in the air.
Posts: 6,587
Quote:
Originally Posted by xArcher View Post
what does Dear Abbey say?
Abby's not available, but in her “Complete Book of Etiquette”, Amy Vanderbilt states:

If either party breaks a marriage engagement, the engagement ring and all gifts are to be returned in as quiet and dignified a manner as possible.
__________________
The Truth Only Hurts If It Should.

http://www.specialops.org/
GVFlyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 17:42.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,308
400 Members
908 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42