Hey, T***, how's the .223XR coming? - Page 9

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 11-17-2009, 00:06

Still Nothing? What happened to the people that were "ON IT"?

***G33*** · 11-17-2009, 00:28

DOA.

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 11-18-2009, 14:20

This is really a burr in my bum.

JTknives · 02-28-2010, 16:37

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Originally Posted by T***10m

Yeah, yeah, yeah, bleah, bleah, bleah, boz this, boz that, that ad is a bunch of crap.

...but, to better answer your question, it appears our guy who was to do his part has not been able to "do his part" (for whatever reason)... and so... we need to find someone who CAN...

We have not failed... yet!

...so... any relatively ambitious takers out there with the where-with-all to "follow thru" in making a sabot?

hay T***10m, I am a machinist and also reload for the 10mm. i started a thread about necking down a 10mm to 224 but heck i will try a sabot first. If you want to pass on the drawing i will bang some sabots out maybe as soon as tomorrow night depending how difficult your design is. the thing is our shop is lacking work right now so one of our 9 Axis mill/lath is sitting dormit which would be perfect for turning these puppy's out at an amazing speed.

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 03-24-2010, 17:18

Holy cow, Taz get back to this guy!!! Wooooot!

Kegs · 04-02-2010, 21:17

Why do you guys want to go down to .223? Wouldn't a 6.5mm bullet be plenty fast and have better ballistics?

VN350X10 · 04-13-2010, 20:52

Kegs, have you ever looked at the published ballistics of the .224 Boz ?
Think semi-auto 221 Fireball !
Not that it's practical for most, but a very neat concept.

uncle albert

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 02-18-2011, 23:54

Please god do something with this!

appleseedgunsmith · 05-19-2011, 07:50

I have a 1911 para frame pistol that I built in a custom caliber. Its a .30 mauser necked to .224. I called it .22-30 sbs. 45gr hornady bee bullets hit 2000fps from 6 inch bbl. Load is 9.5 gr hlilgun and cci 450 primer. 50kpsi+! The slide needed lightening, and I run 7lb rec spr. And 19 lb mainspring. But still only get 80% reliability. Function and misfires still bug me. Too much mass in the barrel because of that tiny hole instead of a big one. Primers neeed to be hard and thick. Also tried aa1680,vvn105,w296/h110,4227 and others. Cases made by annealing using a heatsink since they are too short to stand in water. First test gun was a t/c encore 20inch bbl. 2600 fps same loads! Pushed 35gr vmax to 3000 fps. Got maybe 1000 rds in rifle and 500 in pistol .........both fine. Did replace firing pins after some dragging and flame erosion/piercing w/early loads. Total cost w/r&d,parts,dies,reamer is above $5000.00

appleseedgunsmith · 05-19-2011, 08:25

gun and cart dimen

poochg · 05-19-2011, 11:20

T***......... Your Fired!!!

**Tazz10m** · 01-03-2012, 20:14

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Originally Posted by poochg

T***......... Your Fired!!!

No... now you're tossed in the dungeon for not bringing this to my attention. Bad poochg, BAD.

Sorry, people, but i can't guess when and where this stuff gets posted. Learn to be squeaky wheels.

I'll get on this asap.

VN350X10 · 01-04-2012, 21:11

Might be time to go to a less-extreme case neckdown & use a sabot.
Just a thought.

uncle albert

**Tazz10m** · 01-20-2012, 12:43

I've tried to contact this KTknives guy a couple of different ways and so far the guy seems to have disappeared.

The reason for going with a straight, standard, 10mm case that is not necked down is so that there is no need to buy a new barrel. Another advantage is that alternating rounds (.223XR, 10mm, .223XR, 10mm, etc.,) could be loaded in the same mag. And there are a bunch of other benefits as already discussed in this thread.

At any rate, this project is technically not all that difficult. All we really need is a good machinist. The sabots could actually be "production machined" out of Teflon rod... so technically, we really don't even need to have a plastic injection mold made and mold them in order to have them fairly cheaply. And, technically we don't want to make a mold until we get the sabot design dialed in right... so... it's back to machining. Also, if there is a sabot for another caliber that is already made for .223, which there is, (.308) we could conceivably start with a "go between" sabot to carry that sabot... (.400 -.308). But, again, it's likely back to machining because i don't think any such sabot already exists. I can't believe we don't have a machinist amongst us... or at least someone with a metal turning lathe.

arushus · 01-21-2012, 11:14

I just googled JT knives, thinking maybe the guy owned a company with such a name, turns out there is! The contact email on the website is joe@jtknives.com...perhaps trying this email contact will work?

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 06-09-2012, 15:08

Thank god this has gone somewhere since I last checked in! I will start checking in more often. maybe every month instead of every 6.....

Aglifter · 01-01-2013, 19:13

If someone wants to send me the designs, I can see if the machinist we use on a regular basis, can do it.

We have a good relationship with him.

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 01-30-2013, 20:01

for god sakes give him the specs!

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 03-18-2013, 21:55

the specs man! THE SPECS!

BOB_HOWARD_13 · 04-21-2013, 20:05

Idea: Lets all pitch in on a cheap 3d printer and make the damn things to see if it works, then when we have time to tinker with stuff we can worry about larger-scale production. anyone like this idea? I have been kicking it around in my head for a while, but haven't had a chance to log on here. The printer would not have to be that precise, as the prototypes could be hand-sanded if need be.

darthchicken · 04-22-2013, 22:52

You don't even need to buy a 3d printer. If you can find somebody that can design what you want, you can just post it up on shapeways.com and buy straight from them. I don't know anything about 3d printing or design work, but I've seen some pretty crazy things from folks using this service

http://www.shapeways.com/create?li=home-create

**Tazz10m** · 04-23-2013, 01:43

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Originally Posted by Aglifter

If someone wants to send me the designs, I can see if the machinist we use on a regular basis, can do it.

We have a good relationship with him.

People... i do not sit and monitor this thread. And, I never get any notices from GT that anyone has posted on this. Those who think they can help make this project happen need to at least pm me so i can be made aware. Better yet, call me:

Brooks 253-549-2866

**Tazz10m** · 05-05-2013, 11:53

Development Update!

Ok, so i was sitting there staring at the .223XR drawings and all of a sudden something SO FREAKING OBVIOUS suddenly dawned on me... A POSSIBLE CHEAP AND EASY SOLUTION... so i contacted the guy who's dad makes the sabots for a bunch of other calibers.... and we had a really good talk... discussed a bunch of stuff... he loved the .223XR idea, but said he still didn't have anything ready made and that tooling would cost about $10,000... So i discussed my "cheap and simple" idea with him... and he said he had never thought of it! He also said that it might solve (i think it would solve) product need solutions some of his customers have been begging for (like the government)... So, i'm like; COOL!!! I told him that if he patents it to please put my name on the patent somewhere... and to call me if he needed help with it.

At any rate..... This is just way to simple, easy to make, and cheap to make to just sit around waiting for someone else to do, so i am going to do it myself. I just need to get a couple of fairly inexpensive tools and the material to make the sabot, etc., and get jiggie with it. We may have these soon... prototypes to test, anyway, and i think the prototypes will work from the git go... and... i also found a new plastics distributor that is LOCAL... so i'll call them Monday to find out what they have...