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Old 01-25-2013, 19:47   #1
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Help with tac light holster other than safariland 6285

Got a memo today advising everyone with a safariland 6285 holster is to stop using them immediately. This is due to an incident on the West side of Washington State. The memo advised the officers duty weapon was discharged while in the holster. The info was a child put it's finger in the holster and was able to pull the trigger on a S&W M&P 9MM. I don't have the memo with me of I could give more on the department name and such.

I carry a Glock 22 with a TLR1S. I attempted to get my finger in the trigger guard area. I was able to touch the trigger but I could not pull it. The Glock safe action trigger did not allow me to pull it.

None the less I had to go to the department issue gun today with no tac light.

so any suggestions on a new duty holster that will fit my Glock 22 with a TLR1S on it? It must be a level 2 or higher.
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Old 01-25-2013, 20:06   #2
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Just get a different model number of the safariland like 6280. Same holster. Also, if your department is just "advising" people to stop using the 6285, screw them. Who is going to pay for your new holster? The 6280-85 are industry standard holsters.
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Old 01-25-2013, 20:18   #3
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You may check out the Safariland 6360/6365. It has the als system. Not sure if it will solve your problem or not. I had to go back to the 6280 because they don't make the 6369 for my Sig 1911.

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Safariland 6365.
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Old 01-25-2013, 21:34   #5
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You may check out the Safariland 6360/6365. It has the als system. Not sure if it will solve your problem or not. I had to go back to the 6280 because they don't make the 6369 for my Sig 1911.

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Whats different about the Sig 1911 that it won't fit in the same holster for another brand 1911??
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:30   #6
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Whats different about the Sig 1911 that it won't fit in the same holster for another brand 1911??
The Sig 1911 is more 1911ish. In short 1911 frame and internals but the slide contour is in the fashion of their P22x series. When I looked at buying one I found a lot of 1911 holsters wont fit the Sig and not all holster manufacturers make one specific to the Sig so your choices are limited.

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I really like them, and have heard they are great guns, just not traditonally styled 1911's.

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Old 01-26-2013, 00:41   #7
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And I'm guessing that their railed model is contoured differently as well??
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:03   #8
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If anybody gets a hold of the memo, let me know. I'd like to take a look at it. I just looked at my 6360 and I don't think it's possible to even get close to the Glock 22 trigger in there.
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:27   #9
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And I'm guessing that their railed model is contoured differently as well??
Yep. They have a new classic model that finally has normal 1911 hips.
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Someone brought that up at a shooting I was involved in. I said he should have stopped. They said "what about Garner v. Tennessee."? I told them, " his name ain't Garner and we ain't in Tennessee!"

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If anybody gets a hold of the memo, let me know. I'd like to take a look at it. I just looked at my 6360 and I don't think it's possible to even get close to the Glock 22 trigger in there.
I was able to with my 6390/G17 X200...

I didn't shoot it though. :D
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I was able to with my 6390/G17 X200...

I didn't shoot it though. :D
Thank god you've got your thinking cap on......
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:23   #12
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Majority of holsters allowing a light will have room to get to the trigger because of the light. I carry a G17 with a Blackhawk level 3 light bearing and I can get to the trigger but it is rather difficult and uncomfortable. It's just because of the light design being wider than the handgun.


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Old 01-26-2013, 15:22   #13
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I was able to with my 6390/G17 X200...

I didn't shoot it though. :D
Maybe it's my ET fingers?


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Majority of holsters allowing a light will have room to get to the trigger because of the light. I carry a G17 with a Blackhawk level 3 light bearing and I can get to the trigger but it is rather difficult and uncomfortable. It's just because of the light design being wider than the handgun.
This.

The light is wider than the trigger guard, so the holster needs to be wider than the light. That necessarily creates a gap between the trigger guard and the holster. I have never used a WML holster where you could NOT get something like a finger or pen in there to the trigger, but alas I have never tried to pull the trigger in that situation.
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Old 01-26-2013, 16:02   #15
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My gun's unloaded...

I can wedge my trigger finger in there and touch the back and side of my trigger, but my fat fingers can't get any further in, let alone pulling the trigger...
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Yup, I can actually get my finger in there and drop the trigger with my MC Operator w/ a TLR-1s in a 6320....
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If anybody gets a hold of the memo, let me know. I'd like to take a look at it. I just looked at my 6360 and I don't think it's possible to even get close to the Glock 22 trigger in there.
This is what I received in a memo. I was incorrect on the model # of the holster. The memo says that does not matter as all ALS light mount holster's are effected.

Washington Association of Sheriffs and police chiefs

Sarariland model 6360-2192 ALS light mount holster

Our agency had a handgun discharge while it was in the holster, on a patrol call for service. This was the result of a child getting his finger into the trigger guard and pressing the trigger. This incident turned out as good as it could with o injury and minor property damage. An inquiry to what happened occurred and the following was found.

1. The holster was a Sarariland model 6360-2192 ALS light mount holster, set up for Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm.

2. With a little work and a proper angle (due to the holster mold being low cut and wide near trigger) an adult can get a finger into the trigger and fire the weapon.

3. Children have a mush easier time getting to the trigger with their smaller appendages.

4. Research around the nation has shown two other incidents where the same type of discharge happened during a fights with a mental ill subject. One resulted in a back up officer being shot in the leg.

5. The manufacturer indicates trigger access is because of the light/laser width and holstering issues.

6. There is no projected fix/solution date to this issue.

7. This is not unique to only S&W handguns.

8. Non light mount ALS 6360 holsters do not have this trigger access issue.

In Kent PD's research, the Safariland ALS holster is still the best retention holster on the marker, and we are going to keep this (non light mount version) as our primary duty holster. With that said, our agency has a solvable safety issue with the ALS 6360-2192 light mount holster. Until the manufacture solves the trigger access problem or another manufacturer with similar retention values/ trigger protection are found, we are taking all ALS light mounted holsters out of service and issuing standard non light holsters.

If you have any questions please contact Kent Police Department Range Master Chris Sprague (253) 856-5857 or Sergeant Bill Blowers at (253) 856-5858.



So there you go, that is what I know as of now. Bigguns911
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Old 01-27-2013, 16:04   #18
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I guess ...

Keep kids and strangers from wiggling their fingers in the holster?
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Hmmm...interesting.

A cocked and locked 1911 would have prevented this!


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Hmmm...interesting.

A cocked and locked 1911 would have prevented this!


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I had to take the evil safety off and depress the even more eeevillll beavertail to get mine to drop the hammer....

But don't you know the sheeple think that cocked and locked pistols are too threatening and scary.
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