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Old 01-24-2013, 13:01   #51
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I'm 22 have a full time job and pay for everything myself. The only thing my parents help me with is a home cooked meal once every couple weeks from mom and dad still helps me work on my vehicles if I need a hand. I have great parents who taught me everything I know. I try to talk to them everyday or atleast a few times a week and I'm not ashamed of that.
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Old 01-24-2013, 13:04   #52
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You can think it's anecdotal all you want. I see plenty of other successful adults around my age. We just don't sensationalize and bring these cases to light as much as the losers.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_cUmW_rYNe...understand.jpg

I think it's more you that 'no understand' what anyone here is saying. Regardless of your income (hey, good for you), you're 24 years old and choosing to remain in the care and company of your mother for the sake of emotional comfort and convenience for the both of you, rather than move out and enjoy independence and debauchery before starting a family. That is, in effect, a marriage with the wrong person.


Edit: I want you to know, I'm not saying that to be mean or hurtful. I just know from experience that you're living through a narrow window of your life right now where, to be a man in the future, you NEED to get out on your own now. Just sayin'.

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Old 01-24-2013, 14:26   #53
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I think it's more you that 'no understand' what anyone here is saying. Regardless of your income (hey, good for you), you're 24 years old and choosing to remain in the care and company of your mother for the sake of emotional comfort and convenience for the both of you, rather than move out and enjoy independence and debauchery before starting a family. That is, in effect, a marriage with the wrong person.


Edit: I want you to know, I'm not saying that to be mean or hurtful. I just know from experience that you're living through a narrow window of your life right now where, to be a man in the future, you NEED to get out on your own now. Just sayin'.
wait, what? How am I remaining in the care and company of my mother when I live on my own, and see her maybe once a week for lunch?..... I'm not offended at all, and don't think you're being or even trying to be mean or hurtful. I think we're misunderstanding each other here.


PS - when I say I "see her for lunch" I'm the one that buys our lunch, not her.

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Old 01-24-2013, 14:30   #54
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wait, what? How am I remaining in the care and company of my mother when I live on my own, and see her maybe once a week for lunch?..... I'm not offended at all, and don't think you're being or even trying to be mean or hurtful. I think we're misunderstanding each other here.
you're right. I'd gotten the impression you were living with her, and you were defending that. Apologies.
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Dating back to the earliest cave paintings, the line of older generations bemoaning the younger one remains unbroken.

Things will be ok, OP.
Unfortunately there have been a lot of terrible wars, famines, and outright destructions of civilizations through all that time back to the cave paintings.

Bemoaning tastes in music is one thing. Concern over a large portion of the younger generation having no applicable life skills or knowledge, and being granted the same voting power as the old and wise, and being told that voting is the cool thing to do, doesn't bode well for the future of the greatest nation the world once had.
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My two nieces recently came to live with me as their parents were ill equipped to help them get started in life (massive understatement, but that's another story). I love them and they are good kids, but I am shocked by their lack of self-sufficiency and decisiveness. I suppose that every new generation seems that way to the older one, but with this being my first direct exposure to it, the disparity is startling.
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Concern over a large portion of the younger generation having no applicable life skills or knowledge,
In many ways, today's generation is the best-educated generation of people in the history of ever.

Life skills get picked up through experience; you learned them the same way I learned them and the same way that today's kids will learn them--by making mistakes.

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The "old and wise" are the ones who voted us into this mess in the first place. If the "old and wise" were truly wise, they'd let Social Security and Medicare die instead of insisting on driving the nation into bankruptcy or mortgaging the future work of their grandkids.
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Old 01-24-2013, 15:41   #59
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In the quest for the mighty dollar , yes , I suck as a parent.

I am lucky though , the boy , my boy turned out really well and I am very proud of that man. Just turned 28 the 18th of this month.

I never spent enough time with him and I do regret that.
Worked right through his puberty , damn ! We talk more now than we ever did and I ain't twisting his arm to call me , he just does (sigh).! I'm gonna call him as soon as I get out a here. People , embrace those precious years , there is no re-play !

His faults and I don't see any , but that would be my fault , dad , the ghost !
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Old 01-24-2013, 16:28   #60
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I grew up under the roof of one of the greatest generation,hard at times yet I learned alot.

I'm 42 and very independant,I do all my own cooking,cleaning,small sewing needs,laundry,and minor medical needs.It's a survival mindset and I enjoy it that way.

Anytime I go shooting,I go and any time I go fishing,I go.Yes usually it's alone and I don't mind it,it gives me a sense of peace and quiet.My wife says sometimes I should have remained single because I either do things for my self or when they go I still go off by my self.

This is how i'm teaching my sons,heck my 5 year old will go get his own bandaids if he has a cut or scrape.There is no need to coddle them,just ask them if they are ok and keep going
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Old 01-24-2013, 17:42   #61
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I am full of it along with you, amigo.

The future is literally going to be the fictitious Twentieth Century Motor Company headed by Eric, Gerald and Ivy Starnes. Twenty-First Century Marxism will be ruled by Barack Obama and the hippie socialists of the so-called elite university system.

Note well that collectivism does not work among the self-reliant, only the terminally dependent.
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This is an interesting situation really.

On the one hand, if you're a kid in a position to accept something, you're NOT gonna turn it down. For example: If you were a high school lad, and dad offered to buy you a free BMW and pay for college, and mom offered to do all your laundry and make you sandwiches every day.... are you going to turn that down?

Not likely.


On the other hand, a kid who was given less might end up having an advantage in life, because he was able to mature faster and become tougher/harder-working. For example, like a kid who enlisted in the Marine Corps at 17 years old, or the kid who had to work night-jobs to pay for his own college.

The same situation is really applicable to our politics now.

It's kind of like expecting a democrat receiving Welfare and Foodstamps to suddenly become self-aware enough to vote for a Republican president so that he can get a job and become self-sufficient.

From a Republican or self-sufficient point of view, the guy receiving Welfare and foodstamps while everyone else has to go to work is sickening. In the same way, a 30 year old who works and owns his own house is gonna look down on a fellow 30 year old who lives in a basement at mom's house and plays video games all day.
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One of my cousins is 44-years-old and still suck off the teats of mommy and daddy. Obviously he's not of current generations.
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Yes, losers and ignorant cowards.

Suppose I should extrapolate this out a bit. I know that my kids are not raised spoiled, dependent or as cowards. But I see the results of parents giving too much to their children just to appease the children. And those results get leadership such as Feinstein and Obama and others of their cloth elected.

The results are children that fail to launch, incur massive amounts of debt and take mounds of drugs to keep them stable. Since the removal of corporal punishment from not only our school systems but homes as well, and the new fangled "Talk to them!" methodology of child rearing we have a nation full of spoiled brats dependent either on their parental units or the government.

The sense of entitlement is fostered at home by parents that give to their children for little to nothing in return. So the child is programmed to believe they are owed so much for so little. This extrapolates out to a much larger problem as they grow older. But by then it's too late to correct the behavior in a timely and efficient manner.

I am not saying we should be beating our children, quite the contrary. Children need solid and firm discipline, a sense of order as well as a sense of belonging and being important in the family unit. As I have told Mali, I believe that MOST children can be raised without ever having to use physical coercion to obtain the expected behaviors. But there are some children that the ONLY way to get their attention is to hit the reset switch in their bottom.

There are many reasons why our children are being raised screwed up:

1. Family units are broken apart by divorce.

2. Family units refuse to mend past issues with elders thereby alienating a generation of built in child care.

3. Families are spread out which eliminates the ability of elders to help their children raise their children.

4. Both parents are working full time jobs which eliminates parental supervision and is used as an excuse to extract oneself from the responsibility of parenting.

5. Discipline is viewed as a negative thing. It isn't. How discipline is instilled is the problem, but discipline itself is a powerful tool in any persons kit.

6. Government intrusion into the private lives of families. I understand that abuse does happen, I lived in an abusive home... I know first hand what abuse is... and what it isn't. The problem is now little Johnny or Jane can run to a school official and rat their parent out. The child's word is taken over the adults word with very little initial investigation.

This creates an environment where parents are terrified of CPS coming into their homes. Children are pretty smart and if they sense ANY way to get an upper hand they will take it. CPS is their upper hand that has ruined many good families... all because the child didn't get what they wanted.

There are more reasons and sources to the overall problem. But the simple fact is to take our nation back we must also take back the responsibility we have ALL allowed to be given to the government. It's time to reform the public education system, it's time we start impeaching representatives that FAIL to uphold their oath of office. It's time we start building heroes such as John Glenn, Audy Murphy, Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong.

But... yeah the current crop of young folks are losers... and we are all partially to blame for it either directly or indirectly.
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It would be interesting to look at a correlation between parents who coddle kids and their political beliefs. I expect this group to sway towards liberal.

It would also be interesting to look at a correlation of those people being coddled and their political beliefs. I expect this group to be highly liberal.
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It would be interesting to look at a correlation between parents who coddle kids and their political beliefs. I expect this group to sway towards liberal.

It would also be interesting to look at a correlation of those people being coddled and their political beliefs. I expect this group to be highly liberal.
Well, from what I see here in the middle of liberal hell... your extrapolation is pretty damn accurate. I find that children raised in conservative leaning families to be self reliant, self starting and responsible. Just my observation and trust me I have over 14,000 persons to observe!
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Calling parents/friends is not bad in my opinion but yes too many can not live/operate on their own.
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I get so tired of the whole greatest generation stuff.

There is no way to compare a person born then and now.

Just think how the internet, television and freedom of expression would have changed those back then.

Greatest generation?
No.

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Really? What sacrificies has your generation made that come even close to those of TGG?
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There are many reasons why our children are being raised screwed up:

1. Family units are broken apart by divorce.

2. Family units refuse to mend past issues with elders thereby alienating a generation of built in child care.

3. Families are spread out which eliminates the ability of elders to help their children raise their children.

4. Both parents are working full time jobs which eliminates parental supervision and is used as an excuse to extract oneself from the responsibility of parenting.

5. Discipline is viewed as a negative thing. It isn't. How discipline is instilled is the problem, but discipline itself is a powerful tool in any persons kit.

6. Government intrusion into the private lives of families. I understand that abuse does happen, I lived in an abusive home... I know first hand what abuse is... and what it isn't. The problem is now little Johnny or Jane can run to a school official and rat their parent out. The child's word is taken over the adults word with very little initial investigation.
Good post. See also:

http://http://wordsfromwags.com/generation-why/
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Really? What sacrificies has your generation made that come even close to those of TGG?

Before I make comment on what their legacy is.........
What sacrifices has that generation taken that were not forced upon them by the then existing circumstances?

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Before I make comment on what their legacy is.........
What sacrifices has that generation taken that were not forced upon them by the then existing circumstances?

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Take a look at combat deaths in WW2. In the 10 years we have fought in Iraq and Afg, the total number of deaths is about 6500.
In WW2, the death toll for American service men was roughly405,000. That is about 62 times as many deaths. Do you think there is any way Americans today would have put up with that number? and of course many of the service people in WW2 were conscripted.
It was not forced on them. They were called, and they went. This would not happen today.
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An interesting comment was made by a dog trainer about household pets, some time ago. He said that owners of dogs that are household pets, will not permit their pet grow up to adulthood. That is, the dog is talked to, worked with, played with and generally treated, all throughout their life as if they were still a puppy.

The dogs are not being allowed to mature into working adults dogs. People want puppies because they are more like babies, and owners more often prefer perennual puppies so they can baby them for the owners personal fulfillment. There are few families that really need or want fully matured adult working dog. Some do, most don't.

I think this is the same situation for parents with their children. They do not want the child to grow up because then the parent will lose the closeness and dependence of the relationship.

In times past, the parents had all they could do to support themselves during later life and retirement. They had to ensure their children were self reliant so they could be pushed out of the nest, of financial necessity. But with the Government assistance increasing now, parents have more money to keep their puppies longer and some just can't let go. Puppies forever.





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Take a look at combat deaths in WW2. In the 10 years we have fought in Iraq and Afg, the total number of deaths is about 6500.
In WW2, the death toll for American service men was roughly405,000. That is about 62 times as many deaths. Do you think there is any way Americans today would have put up with that number? and of course many of the service people in WW2 were conscripted.
It was not forced on them. They were called, and they went. This would not happen today.
Dude, you really are going to compare combat deaths between generations??

Ok

You began this line of comparison

The level of technology is different. We have a vast advantage. Great!

We are fighting a borderless war.

Our medics and medical technology is better so there are fewer deaths.
I am disgusted to even to have to post that for a comparison.
I APOLOGIZE to everyone except norton.

We are an All VOLUNTARY military.
We dont wait for the letter.
We are already in uniform.
I was
My older son is
My younger son is

Did you?
I bet you did. You seem like someone who did your part.
Like one of my grandfathers, my dad, me and my sons.

So please explain your next sacrifice that was made by that generation that hasn't been made by the current one.
This one has been squashed.

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Dude, you really are going to compare combat deaths between generations??

Ok

You began this line of comparison

The level of technology is different. We have a vast advantage. Great!

We are fighting a borderless war.

Our medics and medical technology is better so there are fewer deaths.
I am disgusted to even to have to post that for a comparison.
I APOLOGIZE to everyone except norton.

We are an all voluntary military.
I did
My older son did
My younger son did

Did you?
I bet you did. You seem like someone who did your part.
Like one of my grandfathers, my dad, me and my sons.

So please explain your next sacrifice that was made by that generation that hasn't been made by the current one.
This one has been squashed.

NEXT?




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I am not dishonoring anyone. I did not serve. I am from the baby boomer generation. I wish to thank everyone who has sacrificed for their country.
but the TGG -as a whole-was called upon to sacrifice in a way and at numbers that stagger modern terminology. I agree medical technology is light years ahead of where it was in WW2. But TGG fought a global two front staggering war, that consumed nearly all of America's resources. Those who were left behind here in the U.S. were called upon not to drive cars, to ration food, women were called upon to do mens work in factories-it lead to better lives and more opportunity for all women-and families were shattered by the overwhelming death totals for US service people not seen since the American Civil War.

Keep in mind. We are discussing generations here, not individuals.
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