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Old 01-23-2013, 19:47   #1
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New Gallup poll ... wtf America?

Regardless of how our representatives may be leaning with their votes on upcoming gun control legislation, if there's any validity to these poll results ... well, it's bad. I can't see how this is true, but I couldn't see how Obama could win re-election either, even if he ran against a steaming cowpie.


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Old 01-23-2013, 19:50   #2
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first what was the demographic ??? thats the key . what states did these votes come from .

ahh i clicked link NEW JERZEEE , NO WONDER LOL
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Old 01-23-2013, 19:56   #3
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first what was the demographic ??? thats the key . what states did these votes come from .

ahh i clicked link NEW JERZEEE , NO WONDER LOL

No. Methods are described at the bottom of the page. Persons polled from all 50 states plus D.C., same as any other poll they do.


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Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Jan. 19-20, 2013, on the Gallup Daily tracking survey, with a random sample of 1,013 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.

For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of error is ±4 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 50% cell phone respondents and 50% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by region. Landline telephone numbers are chosen at random among listed telephone numbers. Cell phones numbers are selected using random digit dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.

Samples are weighted to correct for unequal selection probability, nonresponse, and double coverage of landline and cell users in the two sampling frames. They are also weighted to match the national demographics of gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, population density, and phone status (cellphone only/landline only/both, cellphone mostly, and having an unlisted landline number). Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2012 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older U.S. population. Phone status targets are based on the July-December 2011 National Health Interview Survey. Population density targets are based on the 2010 census. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting.

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

Edit: I should also add, there are at least a couple questions on there in which I agree with the majority (and, I guess, the President). For example, 30 million for schools to develop emergency response plans? Sure. 30 million is chump change. And increase penalties for straw purchases? Absolutely. And Eric Holder and the acting BATFE chief (at the time of F&F) should be the first arrested.

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Old 01-23-2013, 20:05   #4
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If this isn't some outlier, there has been a MAJOR shift in public perception in the last couple weeks. The other thing is that they say 92% of Republicans support background checks on all gun sales and 49% of republicans support a stronger assault weapons ban.

These numbers are hard to believe.


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Old 01-23-2013, 20:42   #5
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This is not 1994, fellas. We are still a long way from home free.

We need to keep fighting, in a nice way. Prove yourself a good example of a gun owner. Take a co-worker to the range. Talk your brother (or sister) into joining the NRA. Spread the word.
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Old 01-23-2013, 21:02   #6
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jame- I agree, it's a different world than it was in '94. I'm really surprised at the general "don't worry, they can't do anything" attitude here on GT. Based on what happened in the Pres. election and now the Pres. making "gun control" a major priority anyone that isn't extremely worried about new Fed. and State regulations has got their head stuck way down in the sand.
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Old 01-23-2013, 23:17   #8
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Some of that makes sense. Obviously banning anything is a waste of time but I'm all for fixing the mental health system regardless of the perceived cost.
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Old 01-23-2013, 23:28   #9
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Consider also how polls are typically written to favor a forgone conclusion;

Do you favor

1) all anti gun legislation
2) most gun legislation
3) some gun legislation
4) a tiny bit of gun legislation
5) only a teensy tiny bit gun legislation
6) No gun legislation

If 60% answered anything but #6, it's a win for gun control.
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Old 01-23-2013, 23:36   #10
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Bill Clinton said it best, as he was calling us all losers (basically), and that's that it doesn't matter what is popular or what these polls say.

It matters who votes.

We vote.

I hear conservatives in shock all the time about how Obama got elected again. He has the magic mix that gets liberals to do something they normally never do, get off their rears and go to the polls.

Conservatives are so motivated that it's extremely unlikely that any democratic candidate will win in 2016. It would take another 'God' figure that people worshiped to work the magic again.

That is unless, perhaps, liberals have actually learned that they can vote themselves a raise. Which, were that the case, it could be the end all. I recall several founders noting that should that day come it would be our Achile's Heel.

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Old 01-23-2013, 23:41   #11
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Consider also how polls are typically written to favor a forgone conclusion;

Do you favor

1) all anti gun legislation
2) most gun legislation
3) some gun legislation
4) a tiny bit of gun legislation
5) only a teensy tiny bit gun legislation
6) No gun legislation

If 60% answered anything but #6, it's a win for gun control.
As a political science major I know that if a poll is properly designed, there should be no answers "written to favor a forgone concluson." Gallup is also generally pretty well respected as an accurate polling firm. However, these answers are alarming and possibly suspect.
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Old 01-24-2013, 00:13   #12
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I have only had two customers at my shop since Sandy Hook that oppose AWB Hi Cap ban and other common sense measures. Most are NRA Members and own more than one shotgun.

They do not believe we have any business owning semi auto rifle and pistols. These are the average gun owners in America. Guys that hang out in gun forums are the minority. The gun nuts.

I think many gun owners are way under reacting right now. Relying on the Republicans who are just hanging on to their seats by their finger nails to stop popular opinion of gun control is really false hope. They probably stand a better chance of re election if they only put up token Resistance.

We are not coming out of this unscathed. This is nothing like 94 because the gun grabbers have power. The public supports them heck, even many gun owners support them.

Do not wake up like you did the day after the Presidential elections and say I did not see it coming. The polls are warning us to do more.
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Old 01-24-2013, 00:22   #13
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Don't dig your head in the sand fellas.

I hope my great state of NY is a wake up call to all of you not to give an inch.

We went from high-caps to 10-rounders to 7-rounders. What's next? 0-rounders?

Our pre-ban high-caps are now also banned and have to be turned in, revoking the prior grandfather clause, taking away our existing property.

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The public is more anti-gun than ever now.

We need you and about 45 million of your friends to join the NRA or some similar pro-gun organization soon!

That poll reached more people than you did, and they did it methodically. Believe it, the anti-gun opinion and votes are out there. Gun owners need to organize and educate and lobby fast.

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If you watch this video you will see some anti gun nuts showing a power point. In the power point they show a Grizzly Bear. The speaker goes on to say this is what the NRA thinks they are. The next slide shows a Chihuahua and the Speakers says this is what the NRA really is then goes on to show the Nazi flag.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1467008

The speaker is right. Only 4 million give or take members is bad enough. Take out the ones that actually are siding with the gun grabbers it does not look good for us.

Obama said 90% of the NRA members polled support his agenda. I had seen other polls that put it closer to 70%. My local news paper poll shows just the opposite close to 70% of those who responded to the poll oppose more gun control other than back ground checks.

We can not afford people sitting on the side line saying Congress will save us. We have one shot and if it fails it is a life sentence.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:21   #15
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Grabbrass,

Literally within hours of the Sandy Hook event, and since then we've had over a month of the mass media insisting that the entire country wants stricter gun control, how do you think the sheeple masses would poll? The media's been insisting for over a month that if someone is not for some kind or type of reasonable gun control measures, then that someone is part of the "gun owning, bible clinging, unreasonable absolutists' crowd." Sheeple do not like to labeled as unreasonable, which falls under cultural marxism's (i.e., politically correct) tenet/doctrine of intolerance, and the brainwashed sheeple also dreadfully fear to be labeled as part of the "unpopular herd/crowd."

You knew of course that 47% would be for tighter restrictions and support the anti-Liberty, anti-law abiding gun owners regardless of who owned the media outlets; however, what the media's nonstop aggrandizing has been able to do is pull the fence sitters to the people control side of the issue with their non-stop, false reporting of what the "majority" of Americans think is reasonable.

Within hours of the Sandy Hook event, how did reporters, politicians, or the POTUS already know what the majority of Americans wanted because of what happened at Sandy Hook?!? They lied to the American people so as to further their agenda.

They (i.e., the misinformation media outlets) are good great at this kind of thing and the agenda of the socialists has been able to come home and roost due to the easily manipulated two party political system here in America.
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Strangely, I read another Gallup Poll (last night) that said most Americans optimism is the lowest it's been since Carter... Strange because we've been sold so much hope...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...s-are-in-past/
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This is not 1994, fellas. We are still a long way from home free.

We need to keep fighting, in a nice way. Prove yourself a good example of a gun owner. Take a co-worker to the range. Talk your brother (or sister) into joining the NRA. Spread the word.
It will be too late by the time you do any of that.
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It will be too late by the time you do any of that.
What is your suggestion?

I say join up, get others to join up, and fight politically and socially, and protect the 2nd Ammendment, and freedom

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Can anybody name a school shooting where any of those proposals would have possibly affected to anything that happened?
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What is your suggestion?

I say join up, get others to join up, and fight politically and socially, and protect the 2nd Ammendment, and freedom

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I don't have a suggestion - it was too late last November, when election day passed with Republicans and libertarians staying home or voting third party because Romney wasn't cool enoiugh for them.

That was your last chance to prevent this, but even alleged gun owners on this forum were saying how "Obama doesn't want your guns" and "they have to vote their conscience, even if it helps Obama win" and the myth that "Romney is a gun grabber too." Every one of them is responsible for what is happening now.
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The problem I see with some polls is that about the same percentage of the general population would also say that an assault weapon is a machine gun. They don't even know what they are voting for.

If we could just take them to the range and let them shoot a 10/22 and an AR then I think most would have a different opinion.
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I don't have a suggestion - it was too late last November, when election day passed with Republicans and libertarians staying home or voting third party because Romney wasn't cool enoiugh for them.

That was your last chance to prevent this, but even alleged gun owners on this forum were saying how "Obama doesn't want your guns" and "they have to vote their conscience, even if it helps Obama win" and the myth that "Romney is a gun grabber too." Every one of them is responsible for what is happening now.
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I don't have a suggestion - it was too late last November, when election day passed with Republicans and libertarians staying home or voting third party because Romney wasn't cool enoiugh for them.

That was your last chance to prevent this, but even alleged gun owners on this forum were saying how "Obama doesn't want your guns" and "they have to vote their conscience, even if it helps Obama win" and the myth that "Romney is a gun grabber too." Every one of them is responsible for what is happening now.
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strange. I wasn't in this poll.....

I think Penn and Teller explain polling great, but I can't post it here cause it has to many eff werds.
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Bill Clinton said it best, as he was calling us all losers (basically), and that's that it doesn't matter what is popular or what these polls say.

It matters who votes.

We vote.

I hear conservatives in shock all the time about how Obama got elected again. He has the magic mix that gets liberals to do something they normally never do, get off their rears and go to the polls.

Conservatives are so motivated that it's extremely unlikely that any democratic candidate will win in 2016. It would take another 'God' figure that people worshiped to work the magic again.

That is unless, perhaps, liberals have actually learned that they can vote themselves a raise. Which, were that the case, it could be the end all. I recall several founders noting that should that day come it would be our Achile's Heel.

What do I know.. damn insomnia... freaking 'nother night not sleeping. Stupid GT..
We had crappy turnout in 2012, so don't tell me about Conservative turnout. MANY conservatives didn't turn out, because Romney was no better than Obama, or because Obama wouldn't take our guns.

It's hard to fault moderates/independents that voted for Obama, when so many Republicans/conservatives were too friggin lazy to get off their butts and go vote.

If the moderates don't fear our votes, and we have polling that shows HUGE numbers of Republicans favoring gun control, then that is the kind of thing that might push them to vote for, rather than against, some of these gun control measures.
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