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Old 01-20-2013, 17:01   #1
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Check out this Polish MSBS modular rifle I saw at Shot Show 2013

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Old 01-20-2013, 17:28   #2
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Wow! That is impressive VERY Ambi and great ergos. I wonder what it will be priced at? IF we ever see them here.

Thanks for posting that!
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Old 01-20-2013, 17:43   #3
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Too bad I didn't run into you up at SHOT.
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Old 01-20-2013, 17:50   #4
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Looks cool. I'd rather have a SCAR, though.
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Old 01-20-2013, 17:51   #5
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Looks very impressive. I doubt we will ever see one for sale locally but I hope I am wrong.
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Old 01-20-2013, 21:12   #6
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Damn, the Tavor's got some competition for top foreign rifle on my wishlist. I really hope they import some SA versions.
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Old 01-20-2013, 21:36   #7
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Looks like an ACR to me...
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Old 01-21-2013, 00:35   #8
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Looks like an ACR to me...
Did the ACR have a user configurable ejection feature? Or a forged aluminum lower?
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Old 01-21-2013, 00:39   #9
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Too bad I didn't run into you up at SHOT.
I didnt even know you were going? I would have loved to have cruised Shot with you braddah. My camera man actually couldnt make it so I was by myself.

Then I got sick as a dog and didnt even go on Friday. Im actually still sick as I write this lol. Lots of germs at Shot.

Reminder...carry a bottle of antibacterial gel next time.
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:02   #10
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That is pretty sweet. Wouldn't mind one if they are ever allowed to be imported.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:11   #11
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Did the ACR have a user configurable ejection feature? Or a forged aluminum lower?
The guy said "looks like", not "is" or "a clone of".

All these guns look like plastic fishes to me.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:00   #12
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I didnt even know you were going? I would have loved to have cruised Shot with you braddah. My camera man actually couldnt make it so I was by myself.

Then I got sick as a dog and didnt even go on Friday. Im actually still sick as I write this lol. Lots of germs at Shot.

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I needed a new black rifle, so I brought up 3 of my guys to help carry it.

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Actually, I am working on a few projects and needed to do some hand shaking. Very productive show and we had a great time. We will be back next year.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:56   #13
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To me the bullpup is much more interesting. It has the great for a bullpup mag release of the Micro Tavor, good ergos, the limited non-reciprocating ambi charging handle of the acr, adjustable gas, a second mag release in more snag free but standard bullpup location, and it is using pmags in every picture and video I see.

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Old 01-21-2013, 18:49   #14
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Actually, I am working on a few projects and needed to do some hand shaking. Very productive show and we had a great time. We will be back next year.
Looks like a nice plinker.
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Damn, the Tavor's got some competition for top foreign rifle on my wishlist. I really hope they import some SA versions.
I went hands on with the MSBS back in November and was very impressed. I can't wait to see these get wrung out.

IMO, both this and the ARX-160 eat the Tavor's lunch in terms of form factor and ergos.

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Did the ACR have a user configurable ejection feature? Or a forged aluminum lower?
Sorry, you WANT an unnecessarily heavy metal lower? Polymer is the future. The left handed ejection I don't care about, neither do most. Unless the Polish knock off is significantly cheaper, I'd rather have an ACR

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Old 01-21-2013, 23:59   #17
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Sorry, you WANT an unnecessarily heavy metal lower? Polymer is the future. The left handed ejection I don't care about, neither do most. Unless the Polish knock off is significantly cheaper, I'd rather have an ACR

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What do you expect from RADOM. They have a long history of making AK's so Im not surprised they stuck to a metal lower. Who knows...they my go with polymer later since these are late stage working prototypes?

I give credit where credit is due. These guys are making a good gun. Period. (so far that is lol)

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Old 01-22-2013, 08:25   #18
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What do you expect from RADOM. They have a long history of making AK's so Im not surprised they stuck to a metal lower. Who knows...they my go with polymer later since these are late stage working prototypes?

I give credit where credit is due. These guys are making a good gun. Period. (so far that is lol)
Well, frankly I expected them to keep making AK variants! Not trying to bash RADOM (I'm actually glad they are trying to improve US market presence), but there doesn't seem to be anything new or exciting about this rifle. Unless you desperately crave left-hand ejection, or it comes to market much cheaper than an ACR, I don't see anyone buying this over an ACR. Now if, on the other hand, they started selling more of their AK type rifles in the US, I'd be getting excited.
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Sorry, you WANT an unnecessarily heavy metal lower? Polymer is the future.
I do.

Carbines take a lot more abuse than pistols do. This is the reason why the Remington Defense ACR has a metal lower and the Bushmaster ACR has a cheap plastic lower.

There's also the issue of protecting the user when something goes wrong.

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Unless the Polish knock off is significantly cheaper, I'd rather have an ACR
At least with the MSBS you probably won't see any recall notices, loose barrels, 6 MOA rested groups, etc.

The ACR is a steaming pile. I have no idea why someone would want to own one.

BTW, here's what Travis Haley had to say:

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Travis Haley: SCAR is far more accurate and reliable. I could certainly do without the reciprocating CH but I can get over that considering I have been very happy with the performance of the SCAR in classes and testing. I have broke every ACR I have ever touched with simple weapons manipulation.

Ed Driver: Travis what broke on the ACR

Travis Haley: short answer: Cant put any pressure on the mag when firing, spring tension issues, true barrel issues, accuracy issues, over insertion of mags, eats Pmags, weird malfunctions, just a lot of no go criteria issues that unfortunately haven't been fixed yet.

David Alayon: So the Remington "milspec" variant is the same?

Travis Haley: yes that was the MIL variant...
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Well, frankly I expected them to keep making AK variants! Not trying to bash RADOM (I'm actually glad they are trying to improve US market presence), but there doesn't seem to be anything new or exciting about this rifle. Unless you desperately crave left-hand ejection, or it comes to market much cheaper than an ACR, I don't see anyone buying this over an ACR. Now if, on the other hand, they started selling more of their AK type rifles in the US, I'd be getting excited.
Well from what I heard from the reps, the MSBS is being developed for the future warrior program and the Polish Army. I dont think they care if they sell a single rifle to you or me or any American. While we are a big market to sell to, I dont think they are designing it specifically to break into the oh so lucrative ACR market?

As much as I dont like the ACR you'd think I hate this gun.

So far...if I were a Polish soldier, I'd be excited to get this gun.
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