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Old 01-21-2013, 13:34   #76
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Yes, we got that. We just disagree in that the employees have a need for employment, so they can't "just go work somewhere else" (times are tough).
Of course they can go somewhere else. Times are tough but not that tough. I see employment want ads in newspapers all the time.

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So if VW infringes on their right to self defense to and from work they are in fact creating that hostile work environment you mentioned before.
The employer is not responsible for the employees' private place environment such as commuting to and from work. THe employer is only responsible for workplace environment. Now if the employees were to claim that they may be subjected to danger at work due to possible terrorist attacks or crazed colleagues, then maybe they should sue VW and other corporations that have no guns policy. Let's see how far that'd get.

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Like I said, this is not a simple case, but I'm coming down more and more in favor of the employees.
Unless VW's policy is in contrarian to Tennessee's laws, the employees don't have a chance in Hades.
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Old 01-21-2013, 13:35   #77
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Old 01-21-2013, 13:37   #78
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Aren't corporations owned by groups of individuals?
Corporations are artificial entities that exist because the government allows their creation. Corporations are not "people". If they were, they'd be able to vote...but they can't.

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If they have the proper meat handling permits and hazmat permits, then yes.
Once again, they can only do those things with the government's permission. Those are not rights.

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So, anybody can come to your house and spout off at the mouth and you can't tell them to GTFO? Muslims can get on your lawn and pray to Mecca, burn Christ in effigy? No problem? Because they have individual First Amendment rights?
Of course not. But my private property rights are not absolute...and neither is VW's. If the people of Tennessee wish to implement a law that allows its citizens to store lawfully-owned firearms in their vehicles on their employer's property, I'm good with that; we did it here in Florida. If VW doesn't like it, they can cry me a river. Tennessee's state, Tennessee's rules...right?

While I do favor the exercise of one's rights in general, I'm not about to start crusading for corporate property rights. When my 2A rights are properly respected, maybe then I'll give a damn about the corporate policies of a foreign auto maker who clearly doesn't give a rat's ass about the rights of its employees.
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Old 01-21-2013, 14:02   #79
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Corporations are artificial entities that exist because the government allows their creation. Corporations are not "people". If they were, they'd be able to vote...but they can't.
Corporations are still owned and ran by people last I checked unless Skynet already took over. People make corporate policies. People enforce corporate policies, and these policies have to be compliant with Federal and local laws.

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Of course not. But my private property rights are not absolute...and neither is VW's. If the people of Tennessee wish to implement a law that allows its citizens to store lawfully-owned firearms in their vehicles on their employer's property, I'm good with that; we did it here in Florida. If VW doesn't like it, they can cry me a river. Tennessee's state, Tennessee's rules...right?
Until the People of Tennessee enact said laws, it's tough noogie.

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While I do favor the exercise of one's rights in general, I'm not about to start crusading for corporate property rights. When my 2A rights are properly respected, maybe then I'll give a damn about the corporate policies of a foreign auto maker who clearly doesn't give a rat's ass about the rights of its employees.
Plenty of good old fashion, red blooded American companies that have no personal firearms in parking lot policies. And the corporations aren't there to pro support your constitutional rights. They're there to provide you a place of employment with policies and procedures that are compliant with governing bodies of law.
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What I find amusing about VW and BMW's restriction of workers firearms in their U.S. plant parking lot's is..........

Without the Truman inspired Marshal Plan (American Taxpayer funded in the Billions) during the late 1940's, there probably would be no VW or BMW vehicles in this country. Both companies produced war material for the German Military who was successfully killing our service men during WWII and afterward were scheduled to be scrapped or turned over to the Soviets. VW plant was 5 miles from the eastern zone.

Billions of American $$$ went into the rebuilding of Western Germany's industry.

But, I suppose that piece of history doesn't matter anymore to the weenies now in charge at VW and BMW.
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What I find amusing about VW and BMW's restriction of workers firearms in their U.S. plant parking lot's is..........

Without the Truman inspired Marshal Plan (American Taxpayer funded in the Billions) during the late 1940's, there probably would be no VW or BMW vehicles in this country. Both companies produced war material for the German Military who was successfully killing our service men during WWII and afterward were scheduled to be scrapped or turned over to the Soviets. VW plant was 5 miles from the eastern zone.

Billions of American $$$ went into the rebuilding of Western Germany's industry.

But, I suppose that piece of history doesn't matter anymore to the weenies now in charge at VW and BMW.
So, they should bend to some butthurt workers because of what their grandfathers did? HH
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So, they should bend to some butthurt workers because of what their grandfathers did? HH
Or they could move car/SUV production to Arizona, where state law would prevent both companies from enforcing their parking lot gun ban.
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MegaCorps move to the south to avoid unions and then treat employees like crap and thus encourage the very unionism they ran from.
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Nothing in the company policies is stopping a man, who is being asked to let corporate personnel inspect his vehicle, from claiming sudden illness and going home sick immediately. Naturally, when he returns the next day they can inspect his vehicle all they want.

Good luck firing an employee from going home with an illness if he has no prior performance evaluation history of leaving, being unproductive due to his health, etc.

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Or they could move car/SUV production to Arizona, where state law would prevent both companies from enforcing their parking lot gun ban.
But they didn't and until legislated otherwise, the law is on their side. HH
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MegaCorps move to the south to avoid unions and then treat employees like crap and thus encourage the very unionism they ran from.
Are these workers also angry over hours, wages, OSHA conditions...or is it just the gun/parking lot issue? HH
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And no employer has any business telling its employees what legal personal items they may store inside their locked vehicles.
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My property, my rules. If people don't like it, they don't have to come.
So you search your guest vehicles? What a d bag
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So you search your guest vehicles? What a d bag
Don't like it? Don't come to my joint.

And anybody who doesn't respect my house/my rules are ******s. No, worse than ******s - they'd be commie pinko liberals.
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Amen!!
Amen all you want. The law says otherwise.
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Not in Florida
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Don't like it? Don't come to my joint.

And anybody who doesn't respect my house/my rules are ******s. No, worse than ******s - they'd be commie pinko liberals.
I have no desire to waste my time going to your joint. I would rather watch paint dry.
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Has anyone who actually works for VW in Chattanooga commented?
If not, this is a pointless argument.

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Not in Florida
This thread is about Tennessee. HH
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Not in Florida
Except that the VW plant ain't in Floriduh.
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Has anyone who actually works for VW in Chattanooga?

If not, this is a pointless argument.
On GlockTalk, if you don't like something...nobody should like it. HH
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I have no desire to waste my time going to your joint. I would rather watch paint dry.
I'd rather bone Michelle Obama than having you over.
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On GlockTalk, if you don't like something...nobody should like it. HH
I thought that was the thought process of the sheep that are spoken of here.
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I've never seen a commercial insurance app that asks if guns are allowed on the property for rating purposes.
Nor have I....it's a fairy tale quote that some business used as an excuse because they didn't want to own up to not letting them in.

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Show me a court case that dictates otherwise. Employers ban privately owned guns on their properties all the time.




So...do most states require a permit to carry; open or concealed? Or do most states don't require a permit?
Oklahoma is one that allows employees to have firearms in the cars, regardless of what the company policy is. No retaliation. But once again, the state made the rule to protect the commuter's rights too.

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Really?!!

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Are these workers also angry over hours, wages, OSHA conditions...or is it just the gun/parking lot issue? HH
It's Walmart they are ticked off about!



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I thought that was the thought process of the sheep that are spoken of here.
The gun sheep are almost as bad. HH
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