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Old 01-21-2013, 03:44   #26
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I live 10 minutes from the BMW plant and my brother used to work for them. Or do I need to post a picture of the Foreign Trade Zone signs for you to be happy?

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Cite?

As davew83 says...
Before you are allowed on the facility campus they will be sure to inform you that it's a foreign trade one and all the rules that entails.

Both BMW and Mercedes are on that list.
FTZ 134 on the list is in Chattanooga, but it does not list the entity..

I would have to assume it's VW, who else in Chattanooga would be granted foreign trade zone status?
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:04   #27
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VW anti-gun? Then most big corporations are.

What big corporations allow you to bring a gun on company property?
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:16   #28
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VW anti-gun? Then most big corporations are.

What big corporations allow you to bring a gun on company property?
Good point.
Do business with any large corporation in the US on their property and you will be reminded that insurance companies run this country.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:24   #29
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It would be no different than me saying to not bring a gun into my house when you come over for dinner.
Are you sayings they can't even have it locked in their car in your driveway? Because that's what this is about.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:25   #30
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It is none of my employers business what is inside my car. In the state of Texas, the vehicle is now seen as an extension of your home and you can carry in the vehicle without a permit. Since the vehicle is now an extension of my property, seems to be a major win for property owners rights.
Your employer, maybe so.

Become an employee of companies like VW or BMW and they will tell you that their rules are the rules, including the parking lot.
You will be required to sign an agreement to that effect, which includes your termination if you violate those rules.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:31   #31
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Good point.
Do business with any large corporation in the US on their property and you will be reminded that insurance companies run this country.
I've never seen a commercial insurance app that asks if guns are allowed on the property for rating purposes.

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Old 01-21-2013, 04:35   #32
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I don't think they do. I'm pretty sure Hoppes doesn't either....
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:43   #33
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This has become a very contentious issue in TN. It's come up before the legislature six times now. Last year there where enough votes to easily pass it, but the large corporations, FedEx, Bridgestone and VW, made campaign contributions to the legislative leaders, who wouldn't let it come up for a vote. One lost her primary afterwards due to the pressure and funds put against her by the NRA and TFA to send a message.

The people in this state want this bill. Employers shouldn't have the right to force their employees to have to commute, some long distances, unarmed. Under the Castle Doctrine, the car is considered an extension of your home. Would those of you that support this also support them saying you can't have a weapon in your home, because you might bring it to work? Businesses are told all the time what they can and can't do by the government. And "property rights" don't trump your God given right to self defense.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:48   #34
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Your employer, maybe so.

Become an employee of companies like VW or BMW and they will tell you that their rules are the rules, including the parking lot.
You will be required to sign an agreement to that effect, which includes your termination if you violate those rules.
It's not just the risk of termination that's the issue here. In TN, a posted sign as minimal as a 3"gun buster decal has the force of law, bringing a misdemeanor charge, $500 fine and possible loss of your permit with it.

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Old 01-21-2013, 04:52   #35
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The government telling a business or private citizen they have to allow guns on their property is every bit as bad as them telling people they can't have them.
Agreed. (But how come nobody ever says you MUST carry if you come here...:confused: )

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Old 01-21-2013, 04:53   #36
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VW is wrong. In Vechicle is private property. They do not have the right to search an employes Vechicle under any circumstance I can think of. LEO can not search unless probable cause exists. Many states have taken up this cause.
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VW is flat out a left wing organization. Don't believe me? I saw their newest commercial yesterday during the AFC championship game and they had a shell of a man attempting to play catch with his son, making a mockery of men, the guy looked like a complete bafoon. If you pay attention you'll see many commercials like this, not saying VW is the only one but I avoid those companies.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:58   #38
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VW is wrong. In Vechicle is private property. They do not have the right to search an employes Vechicle under any circumstance I can think of. LEO can not search unless probable cause exists. Many states have taken up this cause.
Until you sign an agreement with them that states otherwise.
Which you will do as a condition to doing business with them, including being an employee.
Yeah, it's your vehicle, but it's their parking-lot.

Don't want to be bound by those rules?
Don't do business with them.
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:19   #39
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I'm almost of two minds on this issue. That is I can agree with both the 2A argument and the property rights one. I think both sides can compromise a little - keep your gun locked in your car and it shouldn't be an issue.

Are corporations allowed to override similar God-given rights? e.g., can your employer forbid you making gay-rights statements on the factory floor but allow you to have a rainbow sticker on your car?
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:22   #40
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Until you sign an agreement with them that states otherwise.
Which you will do as a condition to doing business with them, including being an employee.
Yeah, it's your vehicle, but it's their parking-lot.

Don't want to be bound by those rules?
Don't do business with them.
What if I require you to go to my church on Sundays in order to work for me?
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:26   #41
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BMW in Spartanburg, SC has a no gun policy. If you don't like it, don't work for them. It would be no different than me saying to not bring a gun into my house when you come over for dinner. Not that I would do that though. Unless we were drinking, which is how it usually works out.

BMW also has a seatbelt policy while on the property, wear it or you can get fired.
Under Kentucky law, no employer can prevent employees from keeping their gun in their car during work. The University of Kentucky recently lost at the supreme court after they fired an employee for having a gun in his car. As I recall, they found that the law allowing employees to have guns in their cars even controls over the law allowing colleges and universities to ban guns on their property.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:35   #42
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http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...sniffing-K-9s/

The gun dog is trained to focus on odor that relates exclusively to the oils, powder and residue commonly associated with a dischared firearm and not human odor.
Another benefit to a gun canine under the aforementioned circumstances is that the dog handler does not have to worry about human scent contamination of the area to be searched. Every handler, at some point in time, has come across a scene where their colleagues have inadvertently trampled through the area to be searched. With the use a gun dog, those issues are not a concern for the gun dog handler that is trying to locate a firearm, because the dog focuses only on the odor associated with guns and ammunition.

Umm, don't cops carry guns? Or are their guns odorless?
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I live 10 minutes from the BMW plant and my brother used to work for them. Or do I need to post a picture of the Foreign Trade Zone signs for you to be happy?

http://ia.ita.doc.gov/ftzpage/letter...uth%20carolina
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:59   #44
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Good point.
Do business with any large corporation in the US on their property and you will be reminded that insurance companies run this country.
I used to work at an FTZ in a state with law saying an employer cannot tell you you cannot have a gun in the car. The FTZ was not the parking lot--it was once you went through the gate to the facility and there were signs right at the gate.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:22   #45
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I have close to 30 years experience in the Military and LEO fields, but someone has to clue me in how a GUN sniffing dog...........can sniff out a gun?
I heard a commercial for a pest control company - they said they have a dog that can tell if you have bedbugs -

I guess they bring the dog over - let him sniff around .


I also heard of a project that trains dogs to sniff for prostate cancer.

I had a stray cat in my yard - my dog chased it - it ran over the south fence -

15 minutes later I let my other dog out - she starts to head over to the north end of the yard - and then flips around and makes an excited run for the exact same spot the cat had jumped the fence.

Dogs have super sniffers.

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Old 01-21-2013, 08:54   #46
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It is none of my employers business what is inside my car. In the state of Texas, the vehicle is now seen as an extension of your home and you can carry in the vehicle without a permit. Since the vehicle is now an extension of my property, seems to be a major win for property owners rights.
+1 Same here in SC. You can keep your loaded pistol in your vehicle glove box without a permit as well.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:12   #47
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The state has no business deciding what rights you have in my house. HH
And no employer has any business telling its employees what legal personal items they may store inside their locked vehicles.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:39   #48
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The gun-sniffing? What if I cleaned my gun thoroughly so there was no residue? I know that's a stretch that you can remove all residue but if you disassemble the gun and soak the parts in bleach it should work. You can use that gun for only work and never fire it unless you need to.
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The gun-sniffing? What if I cleaned my gun thoroughly so there was no residue? I know that's a stretch that you can remove all residue but if you disassemble the gun and soak the parts in bleach it should work. You can use that gun for only work and never fire it unless you need to.
Or put a few drops of Hoppes and gun oil in "that guy's" car...

Seriously, won't your car still smell like guns after a day in the field?
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Are you sayings they can't even have it locked in their car in your driveway? Because that's what this is about.
My property, my rules. If people don't like it, they don't have to come.
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