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Old 01-20-2013, 07:04   #26
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Let's clear away the hype.

If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:11   #27
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If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.
I don't think it's a matter of difficulty loading a 10 round mag with 7. It's a matter of the bad guy will not be observing the new law. The law abiding citizens are now effectively at a severe disadvantage if ever engaged in a defensive shooting.

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Old 01-20-2013, 07:12   #28
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If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.

Great link, thanks.
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:07   #29
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the governor of your idiotic, backward, ******-bag state should have polled the thugs to see what gun THEY are going to carry after he signed that law:

Thugs: "whatever i damn well please, F you and your laws"

Law-Abiding-Citizens of ******-bag NY: "how about i just use harsh language against an armed criminal"......
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:24   #30
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Carry two guns. You guys invented the NY reload.

Some that come to mind:

PPS
Shield
Nano
Various Kahr models
Sig P239 in .357 Sig or .40
XDs 9mm or .45
Sig 938
Sig 290
Sig 220
Ye ole 1911
Ruger LC 9
Glock 36
Glock 39
Some of the single stack 3rd gen Smith's
Revolvers (2 of em)

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Old 01-20-2013, 08:27   #31
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Some people will "give in." Others will make a measured decision that becoming a criminal and risk going to jail or prison really isn't worth it when there are any of several perfectly acceptable handguns that will do a more than adequate job, including a 1911 which has been effective for a century, a J frame which was the standard for concealed or plainclothes carry for a couple decades, or some more modern additions, including a Shield.
And where does it end? How many compromises are people going to keep making in order to comply? Effective or not, J frame, 1911, etc, it's about being free to make your own decisions. Putting limits and restrictions on rights, doesn't make it much of a right at all.


First it was "why full-auto?", now "why semi-auto"
"Why do you NEED a gun?", "what are you afraid of?", "why are you so paranoid"
"Why do you need X rounds?", "why do you need more than 10 rounds", now "why do you need more than 7 rounds?"

What's next? Need has nothing to do with the choices of a free citizen and their rights. Complying with these regulations is asinine, when the next shooting happens, they'll only regulate further, is the answer to comply then as well?

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Old 01-20-2013, 08:33   #32
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:35   #33
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If anyone wants the FACTS instead of hysteria, go here: http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

How hard will it be, come 4/15 to load 7 rounds in a 10, 9, or 8 round mag?

Then, according to this, you can still load 10 at the range or gun club.

Nevermind, I read the thang wrong.
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:38   #34
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If I was forced at gun point to move to New York.....

I would then own a G36, Springfield Armory XDs .45acp, anyone of the Kahr family of handguns, a 1911 with 7 round magazine, SIG P245, P220 or a S&W .38spl revolver.

Anyone of the above would fall within the 7 round magazine limit.
That's a good list.

For those in NYS, like me, you can keep what you already have and downliad to 7+1. 11+ mags are supposed to go or be modified.

Is my Glock 26 at 7+1 still a good choice? A Glock 27 is a better choice, and the Glock 36 may be the best choice.

Kahr P9 and CW9 are fantastic choices. Along with the smaller PM9 and CM9. Also the .40 and .45 flavor of those guns. Similar choices are the Ruger LC9, S&W Shield, and Beretta Nano.

Sunubby revolvers look even better than they used to. The medium frame revolvers also make more sense now. When talking a limit of 7-round mags, the gap between revolver and semi-auto has narrowed quite a bit. But the semi-auto is still quicker to reload for most people.

The 1911, in .45, .40, and 9, has a bigger appeal now. Stupid that my wife's EMP9 has to be downloaded by 2 rounds.

That brings us to one of the worst parts of this new law. A new shooter can't even go out and buy a 9mm 1911 style Springfield EMP now, but its single stack mags hold 9 rounds! If you already own it, you can keep it and the mags. But if you need a new mag for it, you can't buy one.

The 7 round limit is really a draconian crusher. Guns you have can't get replacement parts and can't be sold instate. And the list of legal new guns to buy has been more than cut in half. Probably 75% of the guns have been made illegal to buy in NYS.

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Old 01-20-2013, 09:44   #35
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Hk you are wrong 10 rounders are grandfathered you may keep 10 rounders but other than at a range can only load 7 after the April date. You will not have to give up or modify your existing ten rounders to hold 7. After the date the only mags allowed into ny except curio and relics need to be 7 or less.
At that point I figure my wheel guns are going to get a lot of carry wear. Can't see the point of carrying a 9 with 8 rounds in it versus a six shooter
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:56   #36
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Desert Eagle in 50AE. Factory magazine holds 7 rounds
Make sure you keep in mind the 50 ounce limit on hand guns. So D eagle comes in at 70 empty. So a no go.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:56   #37
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What a stupid, stupid law.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:57   #38
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Revolver FTW:

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Hk you are wrong 10 rounders are grandfathered you may keep 10 rounders but other than at a range can only load 7 after the April date. You will not have to give up or modify your existing ten rounders to hold 7. After the date the only mags allowed into ny except curio and relics need to be 7 or less.
At that point I figure my wheel guns are going to get a lot of carry wear. Can't see the point of carrying a 9 with 8 rounds in it versus a six shooter
Oops my bad - I read that wrong. I missed that it said more than ten rounds in the FAQ.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:31   #40
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:38   #41
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What every NYer needs to do is exercise their right to carry themselves and their tax dollars right out of that god forsaken place.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:06   #42
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I don't think it's a matter of difficulty loading a 10 round mag with 7. It's a matter of the bad guy will not be observing the new law. The law abiding citizens are now effectively at a severe disadvantage if ever engaged in a defensive shooting.
All the more reason to TRAIN & PRACTICE:
- to make every shot count
- to do quick reloads

If the BG let's you get to your 8th round, he'll probably give you time to reload as well.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:17   #43
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DARN!

Posted it twice!

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Old 01-20-2013, 12:48   #44
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Old 01-20-2013, 13:00   #45
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Might as well have 7 big bullets, some version of a 1911 in 45 acp.
With ammo being restricted, if HP not available, or proven HP not available, 45 FMJ better than < 45

And that law sucks.
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There are a lot of good ccw weapons that comply with the 7 round limit and a lot have been mentioned. Not that I approve the law or am in favor of it. The worst effect this law has is home defense.

Let me propose this. The law addresses "magazines". What if a revolver held 10 rounds? would it be legal? I know Smith makes a 22lr in 10 round model. The 357mag come in up to 8 shot (as far as I know). I wonder if you could take a cylinder that size and get 10 shots of 327 federal magnum in there?
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If I understand the law correctly, a person can have up to a ten round magazine, but can't have any more than 7 rounds in that magazine. So is carrying in a 7+1 configuration OK?

As far as carry pieces go, any of the Kahr pistols would work just fine. That's what I carry now and I'm not even under a magazine restriction... yet.
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There are a lot of good ccw weapons that comply with the 7 round limit and a lot have been mentioned. Not that I approve the law or am in favor of it. The worst effect this law has is home defense.

Let me propose this. The law addresses "magazines". What if a revolver held 10 rounds? would it be legal? I know Smith makes a 22lr in 10 round model. The 357mag come in up to 8 shot (as far as I know). I wonder if you could take a cylinder that size and get 10 shots of 327 federal magnum in there?

From my reading it looks like revolvers do not have a capacity limit.
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Well maybe someone will come out with a modern version of this.....
http://www.horstheld.com/0-HDH.htm


20 shot revolver.....

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..., it's about being free to make your own decisions. Putting limits and restrictions on rights, doesn't make it much of a right at all.

... Complying with these regulations is asinine, ...?
You are free to choose to not comply. Then it is merely a risk vs. reward situation.
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