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Old 01-19-2013, 21:31   #101
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Just because there is video evidence of a shotgun being removed from the car, does not mean the Bushmaster was not also in the car.
It was in the car, just earlier. HH
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How stupid is the person that wrote up that "clarification"?
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My unit in Vietnam had M14's and then M16's were issued. I know because I helped inventory the new weapons serial number by serial number. They were issued with 20 round magazines although 30 round magazines became common by the time I went on my second tour.

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Old 01-19-2013, 23:11   #104
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Engine vs. motor. Propellor vs. screw. HH
Truth vs. Falsehood. Opinion vs. Fact.

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Truth vs. Falsehood. Opinion vs. Fact.
What powers the vehicles built by the Ford Motor Company, Inc.? HH
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What powers the vehicles built by the Ford Motor Company, Inc.? HH
What was in your head before it became hollow?

Propaganda by any other name is still..... wait for it......wait for it..... wait..... Propaganda!!
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...about to lose our a**es here and nitwits are debating verbage.
Ain't that the truth, as if the terminology of clip or magazine will make a ounce of difference in this upcoming public debate on a possible new AWB.

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Ain't that the truth, as if the terminology of clip or magazine will make a ounce of difference in this upcoming public debate on a possible new AWB.
The opposition is using every trick to coerce public opinion.

Try to be familiar with your enemies' tactics. Including... wait for it.... the good old divide and conquer.

Here endeth the lesson.

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Ain't that the truth, as if the terminology of clip or magazine will make a ounce of difference in this upcoming public debate on a possible new AWB.
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I was quoting Ruggles. Your post was idiotic. HH
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Try to be familiar with your enemies' tactics. Including... wait for it.... the good old divide and conquer.

Here endeth the lesson.
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How is this trying to divide and conquer? It a interchangeable term pure and simple that has no bearing on the upcoming public debate.

The term "assault rifle" vs "modern sporting rifle" could be said to have leverage in the debate. Even maybe "high capacity" vs "standard capacity" in reference to a magazine could.

But 30 round "magazine" vs 30 round "clip" means nothing in the debate.
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Why would the Bushmaster be mentioned with the "high capacity 30 round clips" and nothing about the pistols or shotgun magazines????

Something fishy here......
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Here's a hint - the surest way to tell you are no longer a gun newb, is that when somebody calls a magazine a "clip" you won't even be tempted to correct them - the "ha ha you said 'clip'" thing is the surest mark of the newb who has learned a little and is eager to show it off.
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Here's a hint - the surest way to tell you are no longer a gun newb, is that when somebody calls a magazine a "clip" you won't even be tempted to correct them - the "ha ha you said 'clip'" thing is the surest mark of the newb who has learned a little and is eager to show it off.
Interesting theory...
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So let me understand this??

"We" are up in arms because "clip" and "magazine" are being used interchangeably, but not upset that "assault rifle" is being used incorrectly.

And assault rifle is a select fire weapon which allows automatic firing and an intermediate cartridge. It occupies the position between a submachine gun and a light machine gun (i.e M249) and/or battle rifle (i.e. FN-FAL / G3).

We have alread lost the fight because clip and magazine are both "neutral" and we are letting them bog us down in this definition squabble and allowing them to re-define assault rifle.
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So let me understand this??

"We" are up in arms because "clip" and "magazine" are being used interchangeably, but not upset that "assault rifle" is being used incorrectly.

And assault rifle is a select fire weapon which allows automatic firing and an intermediate cartridge. It occupies the position between a submachine gun and a light machine gun (i.e M249) and/or battle rifle (i.e. FN-FAL / G3).

We have alread lost the fight because clip and magazine are both "neutral" and we are letting them bog us down in this definition squabble and allowing them to re-define assault rifle.
Yes, but still the definition of an assault rifle, well, here from another thread...
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You are telling this to a bunch of guys here who still refer to an "assault weapon" to a fully automatic or select fire machine gun.?

The weapon does not become an " assault" item until it is fully intended for that purpose. To ASSAULT someone. Otherwise, is either a military weapon ( military fully automatic machine gun) or a semi-automatic rifle (civilian military "look-a-like). The AR-15 used at Colorado, became an assault weapon in the hands of that crazy guy. My Inanimate AR-15 at home is still a semi-automatic rifle.
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Here's a hint - the surest way to tell you are no longer a gun newb, is that when somebody calls a magazine a "clip" you won't even be tempted to correct them - the "ha ha you said 'clip'" thing is the surest mark of the newb who has learned a little and is eager to show it off.
Or....it's someone that is interested in using correct terminology. Just because incorrect term useage becomes somewhat of a norm, does't make it the correct useage, doesn't stop it from being incorrect. And just because someone corrects others when they use incorrect terminology, doesn't make them a noob.

Anywhoo....that press release is pure politically correct garbage, tailored for the gun-grabbers. It's the continuing effort to demonize standard capacity magazines as something they're not.

That is reason enough to continue to correct people when they use incorrect terms like "high-capacity assault clip". It's stopping the deominatization of inanimate ojects for political gain through the deliberate use of incorrect terminology.

There are people that work on the hill that write speeches and press-releases, that are educated in psychology and sociology. Their entire goal is to use terms and words in manners that evoke strong emotional reactions. They do not care if those terms and words are used correctly, they only care about the emotional reaction they create. And this tactic works. It works damn well.

So, we now have incorrect terms like "high-capacity assault clips". And we sit here arguing whether or not we should bother correcting people when they use those terms.

Of course we should.

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Also, when you post about how newbs are the only people who really care about the "clip vs magazine" debate, it upsets the newbs, who feel compelled to explain why they are right.
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Also, when you post about how newbs are the only people who really care about the "clip vs magazine" debate, it upsets the newbs, who feel compelled to explain why they are right.

I find it odd that a press release from a police dept which is at the center of a massacre of K-1 grade aged children in a school setting, in what is one of the "wealthiest" states in the nation, in what is THE MOST VISIBLE shooting in the USA for the past 10 years, in what is probably the most pivotal and divisive shooting as it applies to gun rights (or as the left would like to happen - GUN ERADICATION/GUN CONTROL)

that such a report, known in advance will be microscopically dissected, analyzed, regurgitated and rehashed...

that such a report includes slanted language as it applies to gun terminology. I am not a cop, but I am in a field where I may be called upon to testify for my actions, or for those who report to me, and in my learnings to best prepare for this, we are taught to chose conciseness and accuracy in our prose.

Yes, the report is directly from the PD involved. It is a shame to see that no one in the chain of command that read that report chose to correct inaccuracies in the vernacular.

Do I smell a conspiracy? No. Do I see sloppiness? Yes.
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Why is that "magazine vs. clip" is a big deal, but (almost) no one seems to suggest that there is no difference in correctness between a "slide" and a "Glock upper?"
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Since I doubt any of you addressed your issues with CSP...

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Subject: Attn: Lt. J. Paul Vance - Press Release dated January 18, 2013

First, all of you in LE involved in the Sandy Hook case have been in our prayers every single day. Thank you for enduring what you have. Yeah, you're just doing your job, but it's a job few people want to do, fewer are qualified to do, even fewer attempt to do, and even fewer do it well.

I moderate part of a forum called glocktalk.com. Sandy Hook is an active topic in several of our sub-forums, Political Issues, Gun Control, Cop Talk and our General forum.

I posted your release on Saturday to quell the rumor mills about the firearms believing it would calm things down.

Unbelievably, a huge uproar began. Why? Two items.

1. "...high capacity 30 round..."

2. "...clips"

Many believe the proper nomenclature for the 30-rnd capacity should be "standard", not "high". High would be a capacity above 30, such as the 60-rnd mags and 100-rnd drums.

Then there is "clips". The AR platform uses magazines. Rifles like a Garand use the clips. Yes, thanks to the media, and politicians, the public identifies either as "what holds bullets." Most of us familiar with different platforms are use to the misuse. One of our members said that the true tell of a firearms noobie is that they get their panties in a wad over the use of clips instead of mags.

If you have any interest in reading the thread, it is here: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1465954

Again, thank you for all you do.
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"Or....it's someone that is interested in using correct terminology."

I would say it's someone that is interested in making other people use that terminology.
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Here's a hint - the surest way to tell you are no longer a gun newb, is that when somebody calls a magazine a "clip" you won't even be tempted to correct them - the "ha ha you said 'clip'" thing is the surest mark of the newb who has learned a little and is eager to show it off.
Absolutely.

But what we have here is different. A State Police Agency calls a magazine "clips" in an official press release regarding an emotionally charged case with nationwide attention. And they choose to include an unneccessary descriptor, "high capacity".

No one cares whether or not an investigator calls a magazine a clip or not. But everybody should care about the other point. A HIGH CAPACITY something was now officially used to kill those children in that shcool. This is going to be used against us in every argument from here on out. Those evil HIGH CAPACITY magazines. And there was apparently more than one. Apparently, as the plural clips was used without giving a number.

They chose to use the subjective term "high capacity" when a 30 round magazine is standard for AR rifles. It would have been simpler and more to the point to merely state "30 round clips". Wonder what their reasoning was there. Or were they just unfamiliar with that type of rifle.
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"Or....it's someone that is interested in using correct terminology."

I would say it's someone that is interested in making other people use that terminology.
I think there are more important things to worry about. When you correct an anti about clip vs magazine, you will look arrogant and will waste your time correcting them on it instead of seeing the bigger picture, which is why they don't need to be limited to 7 or 10 rounds to begin with.
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