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Old 01-19-2013, 18:16   #76
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Maybe they are going by the dictionary definition and not the gun nut definition.

clip noun
Definition of CLIP

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: any of various devices that grip, clasp, or hook
2
: a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm
3
: a piece of jewelry held in position by a clip
The writer obviously is not a gun guy then. And neither was the supervisor who approved the release. Or, as I said in my post above, maybe it was used intentionally, thinking that the majority of people view magazines as "clips. Of course that dictionary is listing the term because it is commonly used that way.

(Sorry for the double post by the way. When I hit submit it prompted me to log on again and I did and hit submit again). I have too many things going on.
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"Clips"? Really? Who wrote that?

I am also extremely surprised with the descriptors they used. "High capacity 30 round clips"? Someone is injecting their personal opinion there. NOT a good thing when it will be headed to court. Thirty round magazines are STANDARD for any AR type rifle. MAYBE if there was a 40 rounder the "high capacity" bullcrap might apply, and that's big maybe. It says "clips" in the plural when there is no mention of the number. Not a good idea for a press release.
Unless your state legally defines high capacity as anything over ten rounds.

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"Funny, because my Websters Unabridged Dictionary shows "Clip" second definition see "cartridge clip" and that gives the definition we all call a magazine. Copyright 1994"

cartridge clip is a stripper clip. Not the same thing at all.

I am curious though, could you post the definition?
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STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;

INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

What I want to know is whether the weapons used in the Sandy Hook Shooting are in fact the same weapons used in the Sandy Hook Investigation?

Not into conspiracy theory, just pointing out that besides using the term High capacity when 30 rounds is standard and using the term clip when magazine is correct, identifying the weapons used in the investigation is not what was meant to be conveyed. The intent was to identify the weapons used in the shooting.
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Unless your state legally defines high capacity as anything over ten rounds.

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I mentioned this in post #33. Where it is defined by law or specifically mentioned in the nomenclature having to do with the weapon.

Does anything in Connecticut State Law define a 30 round magazine, (which is standard for any AR type rifle) as a high capacity magazine? I haven't done a search, so I don't know. If this is the case and my comment is proven to be ignorant of the facts, then I will stand corrected.

The only reason I thought it was noteworthy is because the term "high capacity" is a hot button word for the anti's and it will certainly be used in any gun control arguments revolving around the Sandy Hook incident. To use it as a needless adjective would infer an ignorance of the weapon being described. Put this together with the other descriptors (clips) and you reach your own conclusions.
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Yep, better get the peepers checked out. Cuz you didn't see that.
Yes, I did; but, I already know that YouTube and virtual reality have the strangest way of changing things. (If they could only make me look younger!)
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Unless your state legally defines high capacity as anything over ten rounds.

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There are no laws in CT in regard to magazine capacity.

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I rarely post on these recent threads but GOD DAMN, this kid's mother was a ****ing idiot.
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I mentioned this in post #33. Where it is defined by law or specifically mentioned in the nomenclature having to do with the weapon.

Does anything in Connecticut State Law define a 30 round magazine, (which is standard for any AR type rifle) as a high capacity magazine? I haven't done a search, so I don't know. If this is the case and my comment is proven to be ignorant of the facts, then I will stand corrected.

The only reason I thought it was noteworthy is because the term "high capacity" is a hot button word for the anti's and it will certainly be used in any gun control arguments revolving around the Sandy Hook incident. To use it as a needless adjective would infer an ignorance of the weapon being described. Put this together with the other descriptors (clips) and you reach your own conclusions.
Not to get argumentative, but are the standard mags issued by the military of 20 or 30 rounds capacity? If they're 20, then a 30 round mag can be called high capacity.
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I'm going to have to get my eyes checked. I very plainly saw a tactical carbine removed from the trunk of Lanza's car. (Yes, I know the difference between a tactical carbine, and an Izhmash shotgun.) Something really stinks about this one!
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Not to get argumentative, but are the standard mags issued by the military of 20 or 30 rounds capacity? If they're 20, then a 30 round mag can be called high capacity.
When I was in the military we were only issued thirty rounders.
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Yes, I did; but, I already know that YouTube and virtual reality have the strangest way of changing things. (If they could only make me look younger!)
Did you notice the object ejected from the weapon in the trunk? Appears to be a shotgun shell. A little too big to be a .223. Did you notice what appears to be a shell holder on the stock?
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Not to get argumentative, but are the standard mags issued by the military of 20 or 30 rounds capacity? If they're 20, then a 30 round mag can be called high capacity.
I'm not military, but getting the 20’s would be like pulling the short straw and getting the look.
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Did you notice the object ejected from the weapon in the trunk? Appears to be a shotgun shell. A little too big to be a .223. Did you notice what appears to be a shell holder on the stock?
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...about to lose our a**es here and nitwits are debating verbage.
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I believe there are a lot of LEO that read and post here on GNG. I would like to ask them a question.

Do you know of, or work with, fellow officers who use "slang/inaccurate" terms in police reports or other official documents?

Describing a magazine as a "clip" is factually inaccurate and implies ignorance or contempt for their duty to accurately and precisely define said item(s) in the report.
Unfortunately, a few. Mostly rookies right out of college. It takes some work, but they can usually be straightened out.
I have read a few reports from management that were horrific. Those managers usually ended up in HQ.:eek:

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I believe the initial news report reported they removed a AR rifle from the car trunk. Now they're claiming it was a Canta-Can'tbe shotgun or something?

Is there a record that either the mother, or the shooter, purchased such a weapon?

I smell conspiracy!!!
CSI opened the trunk. They photographed the shotgun then it was made safe ie rounds ejected then seized it as evidence on live tv.
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But what weapons did the shooter on the grassy knoll have?

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CSI opened the trunk. They photographed the shotgun then it was made safe ie rounds ejected then seized it as evidence on live tv.
Just because there is video evidence of a shotgun being removed from the car, does not mean the Bushmaster was not also in the car.
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Just because there is video evidence of a shotgun being removed from the car, does not mean the Bushmaster was not also in the car.
There is a public statement from people who actually know that the Bushmaster was recovered from the crime scene inside the school. So my uneducated guess is that the Bushmaster WAS in the car until the psycho took it along with two pistols out of the car and transported it into the school.
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and you base this on what fantasy?
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Not to get argumentative, but are the standard mags issued by the military of 20 or 30 rounds capacity? If they're 20, then a 30 round mag can be called high capacity.
My guess is "High Capacity" has become part of the lexicon just as people started using "a xerox" to mean any copy or "kleenex" to mean any facial tissue.

Probably stems from the time when any magazine holding more than 10 rounds was defined by Federal law as "high capacity".

They tried to get a law passed in Ct a couple years ago to ban "large capacity" (more than 10 rounds) magazines but it didn't get very far.

I guess in New York they will now call any magazine capable of holding more than 7 rounds "high capacity".
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Remington XP 100 bolt action pistol, in .221 Fireball
I used to have one of those with a scope. It was really accurate. And loud.
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