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Old 01-19-2013, 16:37   #51
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Old 01-19-2013, 16:45   #52
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Clips.....there's some good Investigating for ya....Homers.
For those wishing to challenge or correct or call bull **** on the content of the press release, here is the email for the agency: DESPP.Feedback@ct.gov.

I am certain they will appreciate your input.
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I have dibs on those Bushmaster clips! - Irresputible proof this was not actually from an actual LE agency.

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Using "slang" descriptions in an official police statement does not bode well for the department or their professionalism.
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"Clips"? Really? Who wrote that?

I am also extremely surprised with the descriptors they used. "High capacity 30 round clips"? Someone is injecting their personal opinion there. NOT a good thing when it will be headed to court. Thirty round magazines are STANDARD for any AR type rifle. MAYBE if there was a 40 rounder the "high capacity" bullcrap might apply, and that's big maybe. It says "clips" in the plural when there is no mention of the number. Not a good idea for a press release.
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I believe there are a lot of LEO that read and post here on GNG. I would like to ask them a question.

Do you know of, or work with, fellow officers who use "slang/inaccurate" terms in police reports or other official documents?

Describing a magazine as a "clip" is factually inaccurate and implies ignorance or contempt for their duty to accurately and precisely define said item(s) in the report.
This was a press release and not an official police report. And in a rather large world out there outside of Glock Talk the words "magazine" and "clip" are used somewhat interchangeably by people, especially by those in the media. And bizarre as it seems, either word seems to convey an adequate meaning to the reader or listener. That said, I would encourage anyone here who believes that the press release is inaccurate, ignorant, or unprofessional to both contact Lt. Vance, and to immediately send their resume to Commissioner Bradford and to Colonel Stebbins along with, perhaps, a cover letter explaining how you could perform the PIO job in a far superior manner thereby establishing a much better working relationship with the press and media.


But if it helps you to rest easier, I would bet that somewhere in the thousands of pages there is a property receipt/crime scene document which describes the device as a magazine rather than a clip.
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I believe Patchman was being sarcastic...After having read all of his other posts on this topic, that's how I read it.
Russ, I was not being being sarcastic about returning to Libya.

Nor was I being sarcastic about the mother purchasing a gun in a private sale. From what I understood, she had no issues with money, so she would have no issues with purchasing an item (whether car, TV, toaster oven or whatever) from a dealer, for the protections (not getting robbed in a parking lot, getting a defective product, a good warranty the manufacturer would honor, return policy etc...) it provided.
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For those wishing to challenge or correct or call bull **** on the content of the press release, here is the email for the agency: DESPP.Feedback@ct.gov.

I am certain they will appreciate your input.
Not saying the report is false.....just saying State Police should not be as uninformed as stupid Politicians and the uneducated News Media. Magazine and Clip are not the same and neither are their definitions.
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Magazine or clip, does not mean a thing at the end of the day to the overall debate. That water is way under the bridge as simply does not matter anymore IMO.
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And in a rather large world out there outside of Glock Talk the words "magazine" and "clip" are used somewhat interchangeably by people, especially by those in the media. And bizarre as it seems, either word seems to convey an adequate meaning to the reader or listener.
So common Webster has defined it as such.

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1: any of various devices that grip, clasp, or hook
2: a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm
3: a piece of jewelry held in position by a clip
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clip
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Strange... I don't consider 30 rounds High capacity... Am I Nutz?
I'm with you. thats "standard capacity", the 10-round are "limited capacity". I'd consider the big beta drums to be high capacity.
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Did you go to the website, or are you just talking to hear yourself.

Please don't let your desire to slam either Gallium or Peace Warrior obfuscate what is a clear presentation of a full three courses of sarcasm.

I might suggest you read the entirety of what I have posted again. It's like the arrow in the word Fed Ex.Sometimes we have to shade it, and draw a big circle around it.

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On topic, when we get the ME's report of GSWs - and it will only cement what we already know - AR15/.223 killed those victims, shooter offed himself with a handgun.
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So common Webster has defined it as such.



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clip
Yaup, we can hate it all we want but when a word is used wrong enough for a long enough period -- it becomes true.

I thought my old boss was going to have a coronary when they added irregardless to the dictionary.
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LOL, beat me to this!
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Obviously because the Libyans and Russians knew you would blow the lid off that whole "Moon Landing Hoax" thing LOL.
I don't know whether either one knew where this patch of desert I played in was. And the moon landing occurred when king Idris was still in power. And Guddafi was a lieutenant serving at some 2 mule town along the coast.
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This was a press release and not an official police report. And in a rather large world out there outside of Glock Talk the words "magazine" and "clip" are used somewhat interchangeably by people, especially by those in the media. And bizarre as it seems, either word seems to convey an adequate meaning to the reader or listener. That said, I would encourage anyone here who believes that the press release is inaccurate, ignorant, or unprofessional to both contact Lt. Vance, and to immediately send their resume to Commissioner Bradford and to Colonel Stebbins along with, perhaps, a cover letter explaining how you could perform the PIO job in a far superior manner thereby establishing a much better working relationship with the press and media.


But if it helps you to rest easier, I would bet that somewhere in the thousands of pages there is a property receipt/crime scene document which describes the device as a magazine rather than a clip.
Of course this is not a police report. It is a press release. Big difference, and it needs to be pointed out.

As to the part about the property receipt/crime scene document describing it (them) as a magazine, I wouldn't be so sure. You should see some of the ways things get labeled when submitted into evidence.

What's done is done. The absolute worst thing you can do if trying to placate interested parties (or conspiracy theorists) is to change or re-do any public piece of information. No need to try to lobby any supervisors now. Perhaps the supervisor giving the OK to this release was not a gun guy and all magazines are "clips" to him. Perhaps the term "Clips" was used on purpose, thinking it might be a more familiar term to the general public. Perhaps some specific questions were directed to the agency from the press regarding whether or not "High Capacity" somethings were used, and this was included to address those inquiries directly. Who knows?

"Who knows" is not the hallmark result of a good press release from a law enforcement agency.
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Not exactly. To be a bit more precise.

A motor is a machine that converts other forms of energy into mechanical energy and so imparts motion.

An engine is a motor that converts thermal energy to mechanical work.

When I am paid to write a report, the accuracy of my assessments and the precision with which the issue is addressed is paramount to the quality of the document.

Yeah, there is a difference between a screw and a propeller but that is more than I want to get into.



The statement from the PD is clearly in error. I asked LEO's if this type of reporting is acceptable and/or commonplace.
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This was a press release and not an official police report. And in a rather large world out there outside of Glock Talk the words "magazine" and "clip" are used somewhat interchangeably by people, especially by those in the media. And bizarre as it seems, either word seems to convey an adequate meaning to the reader or listener. That said, I would encourage anyone here who believes that the press release is inaccurate, ignorant, or unprofessional to both contact Lt. Vance, and to immediately send their resume to Commissioner Bradford and to Colonel Stebbins along with, perhaps, a cover letter explaining how you could perform the PIO job in a far superior manner thereby establishing a much better working relationship with the press and media.


But if it helps you to rest easier, I would bet that somewhere in the thousands of pages there is a property receipt/crime scene document which describes the device as a magazine rather than a clip.
Of course this is not a police report. It is a press release. Big difference, and it needs to be pointed out.

As to the part about the property receipt/crime scene document describing it (them) as a magazine, I wouldn't be so sure. You should see some of the ways things get labeled when submitted into evidence.

What's done is done. The absolute worst thing you can do if trying to placate interested parties (or conspiracy theorists) is to change or re-do any public piece of information. No need to try to lobby any supervisors now. Perhaps the supervisor giving the OK to this release was not a gun guy and all magazines are "clips" to him. Perhaps the term "Clips" was used on purpose, thinking it might be a more familiar term to the general public. Perhaps some specific questions were directed to the agency from the press regarding whether or not "High Capacity" somethings were used, and this was included to address those inquiries directly. Who knows?

"Who knows" is not the hallmark result of a good press release from a law enforcement agency.
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When you watch the video of the police pulling the long gun out of the car trunk it is obviously not an AR. You can see the officer pulling back on the bolt handle which is on the side. The charging handle on an AR is on the rear.
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Yaup, we can hate it all we want but when a word is used wrong enough for a long enough period -- it becomes true.

I thought my old boss was going to have a coronary when they added irregardless to the dictionary.
Agreed gommer! Colloquialisms are not professional.

Magazines are not clips and clips are not magazines.

I have searched my Oxford American College Dictionary, yeah that 1600 page plus paper one that people used to keep on the shelf, and it doesn't equate a clip to a magazine.

I only have one actual paper dictionary but searching five other internet "dictionary's" I couldn't find another to agree with the free internet edition of the Myriam Webster Dictionary definition of "clip".
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In police reports it all depends on the context, but slang GENERALLY should not be used. Using a term such as "High Capacity" as a descriptor is an opinion, except in the case where "High Capacity" is defined by law or by nomenclature pertaining to the weapon at hand. And the use of the term "clip" is obviously just a misunderstanding of what a clip is, as opposed to a removable magazine. This should have been caught and corrected by a supervisor before official release. "Clips" in the plural opens up a can of worms on it's own. It could be surmised that they have a specific reason for using the plural without revealing how many there were.
Maybe they are going by the dictionary definition and not the gun nut definition.

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I'm going to have to get my eyes checked. I very plainly saw a tactical carbine removed from the trunk of Lanza's car. (Yes, I know the difference between a tactical carbine, and an Izhmash shotgun.) Something really stinks about this one!
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Oh you folks with the linguistic fetishes, Hhahhaha I could tell you about the time a police 'spokesman" got flustered and mixed up the words "perpetrator" and "penetrator"
Did you hear bout the newspaper article that described Lt McMurphey as "A Defective on the Police Force"? He demanded a retraction. The next day the newspaper admitted their mistake and printed a correction, which described Lt Mc Murphey as "A Detective on the Police Farce".
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Agreed gommer! Colloquialisms are not professional.

Magazines are not clips and clips are not magazines.

I have searched my Oxford American College Dictionary, yeah that 1600 page plus paper one that people used to keep on the shelf, and it doesn't equate a clip to a magazine.

I only have one actual paper dictionary but searching five other internet "dictionary's" I couldn't find another to agree with the free internet edition of the Myriam Webster Dictionary definition of "clip".
Funny, because my Websters Unabridged Dictionary shows "Clip" second definition see "cartridge clip" and that gives the definition we all call a magazine. Copyright 1994

They are the same thing in most peoples minds. In fact, the first I've ever heard of this nonsense of getting all righteous over one being one thing or other is on the internets.

Nobody in reality gives a poop one way or the other.
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I'm going to have to get my eyes checked. I very plainly saw a tactical carbine removed from the trunk of Lanza's car. (Yes, I know the difference between a tactical carbine, and an Izhmash shotgun.) Something really stinks about this one!
You better get them checked then, it is clearly not an AR.
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I'm going to have to get my eyes checked. I very plainly saw a tactical carbine removed from the trunk of Lanza's car. (Yes, I know the difference between a tactical carbine, and an Izhmash shotgun.) Something really stinks about this one!
Yep, better get the peepers checked out. Cuz you didn't see that.
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