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Old 01-15-2013, 16:24   #1
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Wolf 7.62x39 124gr HP Gel Test Results

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Just finished up testing the Wolf 124gr 7.62x39 HP round from my Krebs AK-103K. The test was shot at 15 ft, 75 degrees, and 300 ft of elevation and the Clear Ballistics FBI spec gel block was used with 4 layers of denim.

Results:

-2207fps, 1341 ft/lbs energy
-The round didn't expand per se; but the jacket did tear open (see video below for the specifics)
-Deepest penetration point was 31''

The manufacture of the gel block, Clear Ballistics, claims their gel meets FBI specs for testing. I calibrate my gel per their specs prior to testing and use 4 layers of denim per IWBA protocol.

However, by no means am I saying this test is a substitute for the great work industry professionals like Dr. Roberts and others do. I'm just a shooter that likes to learn about the products I use.


Here's the video of the test:

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Old 01-15-2013, 18:45   #2
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Unfortunately, I dont think the bullet started to lose its jacket until it has already started turning 180 degrees, most likely after the 10 inch mark.

I really feel sorry that people are using this as a hunting round.
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Old 01-15-2013, 18:48   #3
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Great example of why this caliber is a horrible choice for HD. Of course, this isn't the best ammo choice either.

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Old 01-15-2013, 20:27   #4
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...I really feel sorry that people are using this as a hunting round.

Ditto.
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Old 01-15-2013, 21:09   #5
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I guess the round tested is not the older 124 military classic. I popped a big bodied 9 pointer with the Uly headstamp MC two years back and I believe the expansion profile was a bit different that what the above test showed.
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Old 01-15-2013, 21:28   #6
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I guess the round tested is not the older 124 military classic. I popped a big bodied 9 pointer with the Uly headstamp MC two years back and I believe the expansion profile was a bit different that what the above test showed.
I remember DocGKR (IIRC) recommending this load several years back becuase it was previously show to have decent performance. But honestly, you cant put much faith in a company producing budget ammo to perform like modern JSP and JHPs.

If you want to hunt, use a proven, preferably American made round. Im not one of those "Murika" guys, but 90 percent of the ammunition made in foreign countries is made to export. Or in other words as cheaply as possible.
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Old 01-16-2013, 00:08   #7
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Great example of why this caliber is a horrible choice for HD. Of course, this isn't the best ammo choice either.

Really?, how many million people has it killed since the late 40's, just because this load didn't expand doesn't mean it wouldn't have flattened an opponent. But it isn't the almighty 556 that so many worship so it has to be "horrible"...
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Really?, how many million people has it killed since the late 40's, just because this load didn't expand doesn't mean it wouldn't have flattened an opponent. But it isn't the almighty 556 that so many worship so it has to be "horrible"...
He wasnt talking about the "stopping power". He was talking about the four houses the bullet penetrated after exiting the assailant.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:19   #9
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The Wolf Military Classic used to be loaded with the 8M3 JHP bullet - which supposedly has decent terminal performance.

But from what I understand, they stopped using that bullet several years ago.
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Old 01-16-2013, 23:22   #10
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If you want expansion, use a soft point.

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Old 01-17-2013, 10:45   #11
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It is odd that the 124gr JHP didn't expand at all.
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from what i can tell with the deer i shot with the 8M3 jacket, the round enters, goes about 4" or so inches, then really comes apart. the exit wounds I have encountered on small deer (that's all I shoot, ask my friends) looks like a 300 win mag shooting 150 grainers on a large bodied deer. pretty impressive stuff. I would think it is not just one projectile, but multiple hunks of metal exiting in more or less the same area at the same time with the 8M3. I had shot some deer "back in the day" with a mini 30 using winchester 125 grain soft points. would usally expand well and stop on the hide on the far side.
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Great video!! Thanks!!
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It is odd that the 124gr JHP didn't expand at all.
I have fired many 7.62x39 Hollow points into water jugs, sand, dirt, wood, dry newspaper, wet newspaper, and combinations above, all I ever got was a "bent" bullet. No expansion.

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The Wolf Military Classic used to be loaded with the 8M3 JHP bullet - which supposedly has decent terminal performance.

But from what I understand, they stopped using that bullet several years ago.
I bought a stash of the WMC 124-grain jhp's about 4 or 5 years ago. Anyone have any idea how you can tell if your WMC has the 8M3 bullet?
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I bought a stash of the WMC 124-grain jhp's about 4 or 5 years ago. Anyone have any idea how you can tell if your WMC has the 8M3 bullet?
From what I have read, if you take a needle and run it on the inside of the HP cavity, you will feel 3 "cuts" or "fractures" if it is the 8M3.

EDIT: Also, if you have the non expanding load to compared to, the pulled bullet will be shorter and flatter based.

I found a picture which should also help identify.
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.45338...15303&pid=15.1
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From what I have read, if you take a needle and run it on the inside of the HP cavity, you will feel 3 "cuts" or "fractures" if it is the 8M3.

EDIT: Also, if you have the non expanding load to compared to, the pulled bullet will be shorter and flatter based.

I found a picture which should also help identify.
Okay...then these are the 8M3. Good deal.

Thanks so much.
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