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Old 01-13-2013, 07:50   #726
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Speaking of which, what would you think of getting the plastic stock for the M1? I noticed that Brownells carries one for sale.

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I was thinking about getting something like that myself. CMP has range ammo on their E store. It also may be worth looking into.

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I think I'm just going to stick with buying as much of that Greek surplus as I can right now, and reloading later to duplicate the M2 (or as close as I can get to it). I really don't want to turn it into a manually-operated rifle if I don't have to, lol.
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I think I'm just going to stick with buying as much of that Greek surplus as I can right now, and reloading later to duplicate the M2 (or as close as I can get to it). I really don't want to turn it into a manually-operated rifle if I don't have to, lol.
Right on. I was under the impression that it would still operate in SA. There is ammo on CMP's other site that is specifically made for the range. I am guessing it is easier on baffles.

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I think that you should be beaten with a rubber hose for even thinking of such!
I am thinking SHTF scenario.

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Ain't that the truth. Tax the producers to death to give more to the takers.
Marriage is what it is, LOL. We both actually use it.

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Right on. I was under the impression that it would still operate in SA. There is ammo on CMP's other site that is specifically made for the range. I am guessing it is easier on baffles.

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I think it just doesn't attract a magnet like the M2 ball does (even the non-AP); some ranges won't let you shoot it if it attracts a magnet.


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True, but I'd still be okay with the wood even in that scenario. If it's good enough for all it went through in WW2 and Korea, among other places, it's good enough for me.
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Marriage is what it is, LOL. We both actually use it.

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I wasn't referring to the marriage, lol. I was meaning how the wonderfulness of redistribution of wealth is in this country.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:19   #733
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I wasn't referring to the marriage, lol. I was meaning how the wonderfulness of redistribution of wealth is in this country.
Ah. Yeah it's been going on for some time. Now, it'll just get worse.

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I think it just doesn't attract a magnet like the M2 ball does (even the non-AP); some ranges won't let you shoot it if it attracts a magnet.




True, but I'd still be okay with the wood even in that scenario. If it's good enough for all it went through in WW2 and Korea, among other places, it's good enough for me.
The range I go to doesn't allow the magnetic stuff.

The reason for the plastic stock is that it deteriorates at a much slower rate than wood. But, the bad thing is because of it being lighter there would be more recoil.


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The range I go to doesn't allow the magnetic stuff.

The reason for the plastic stock is that it deteriorates at a much slower rate than wood. But, the bad thing is because of it being lighter there would be more recoil.


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I just don't like how it affects the balance on them; it makes them WAYYY too muzzle-heavy for my tastes.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:33   #736
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I don't care for inexpensive plastic or synthetic stocks for the M1/M14 system. The barreled receiver fits into the stock group and is locked in place by the trigger group. The problem comes when the barrel/receiver group does not fit tightly into the stock group and it shifts around. When it shifts during recoil/counter-recoil, the barrel/receiver group never returns to the same resting point as the shot before and accuracy is horrible.

Because there are many different manufacturers of the rifle; Springfield, Winchester, H&R, etc., the stock has to be made large to fit most actions and this magnifies the above problem. To fix this, the rifle then has to be bedded using Acra-glas, Liquid Steel, or a similar product. The next problem comes when the now bedded rifle is field stripped for cleaning and the disassembly process destroys the now tight tolerances.

When I bedded my M1A for service rifle matches, it was to a standard walnut stock, but only after I had done all the work necessary to the rifle. Since doing it in the 90s, the rifle has never been disassembled for cleaning. On a target only rifle, this is perfectly fine.

If you want a synthetic stock, buy from McMillan or a high end manufacturer who watches their tolerances closely and has reinforced recoil shoulders in the stock.
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any idea on refurbishing the inside of an old nagant barrel? Couldnt find something yet, I guess an old barrel is just an old barrel
Can't do it without some very expensive equipment and it's really not worth doing if you are looking to redrill the lands and grooves. Those things are cheap enough to be disposable rifles as is.

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Good stuff to know. I also have an M91/30, but it's still packed in cosmoline as I've never really had the desire to really get it out and clean all the gunk out, and all the ammo I had for it until recently was in a sealed tin that I didn't want to bust open if I didn't have to. I think I'll get to messing with it once it warms up some and clean it up.

Now if I get the Garand, I'll have to get a SMLE of some flavor, a Mauser 98, and an Arisaka of some flavor to round out the collection!
I did that route as well, and wrapped the rifles in black rags and placed them in the summer sun for a few days to get the heat to cook the oils out first before I did my wash.

If you have a steamer, that is the best way to do it, IMHO. I had one but couldn't find it until I was done with my other methods. Guess that just means I have to buy another rifle and use the steamer.

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I think that you should be beaten with a rubber hose for even thinking of such!
Maybe not that extreme... but yeah, some persuasion needs to happen to prevent that. I thought about sporterizing the Mosin as well with that Monte Carlo stock that ATI sells, but then thought better of it because it is what it is and I am not really about to spend more than the rifle is worth by putting on a stock and scope and all the other junk on it. I'm going to shoot it as is and if I need something different, I have my Steyr SSG for that.

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I wasn't referring to the marriage, lol. I was meaning how the wonderfulness of redistribution of wealth is in this country.
Marriage is redistribution of wealth. That's why you need to marry wealthy.
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I did buy the ati stock and put it on. Too bad the rifle doesn't hit shayt
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I have been working, and dealing with medical issues. Both with worker's comp, and my own. Blood pressures have been high enough to be able to cause a stroke.:(

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Woo! Snow! we are getting a light dusting down here. People are going crazy!! It's hilarious. I'm glad it's not sticking. I hate walking in the stuff.


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What is this snow you speak of? We had a tiny bit of sleet the other morning and all of a sudden people couldn't drive at all. Which is most of the time around here but still.
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What is this snow you speak of? We had a tiny bit of sleet the other morning and all of a sudden people couldn't drive at all. Which is most of the time around here but still.
we have not had much of snow up here all season. The most we got in any one storm was a little over half a foot. As nice as it is to not slog through the crap it really messes with lake and river levels the rest of the year.
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we have not had much of snow up here all season. The most we got in any one storm was a little over half a foot. As nice as it is to not slog through the crap it really messes with lake and river levels the rest of the year.
We have had similar issues with lack of snow. Low rivers and lakes, along with lower ground water tables. My in-laws have suffered similarly in Upstate NY. Winter isn't over yet, so maybe we'll have some more snow.



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I was a little surprised by the blood pressure readings myself. I think part of it was caused by my pain I was dealing with. I'm also on massive ibuprofen and am taking flexeril, lowering my caffeine intake, salt intake.

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