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Old 01-16-2013, 18:19   #26
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a man with a gun can only be made to do so much, a man without a gun can be made to do whatever the government wants him to.
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Old 01-16-2013, 18:34   #27
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Old 01-16-2013, 19:04   #28
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The people that control the guns and firearms control the masses......when the government will control all the guns, then they will control the population of our country. Hopefully I will be deadly then!
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Old 01-16-2013, 19:05   #29
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So where have you been for the last 20 years? All this started with Clinton- remember he wanted Obamacare-(Called Hillary Care back then). He forced the first AWB through. And they been at it ever since! Really the main assault on guns started in the Carter years. The Progressive movement was pretty much in the closet working behind the scene until the Usuper was elected in 2008! Since they were able to totally subvert the COTUS by electing the NON citizen they felt they were in total control and are now fully out of the closet and pushing for total take over and subversion of the COTUS. To acheive this goal they have to disarm the citizens, cause we are the last check to there take over!
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Old 01-16-2013, 19:10   #30
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So where have you been for the last 20 years? All this started with Clinton- remember he wanted Obamacare-(Called Hillary Care back then). He forced the first AWB through. And they been at it ever since! Really the main assault on guns started in the Carter years. The Progressive movement was pretty much in the closet working behind the scene until the Usuper was elected in 2008! Since they were able to totally subvert the COTUS by electing the NON citizen they felt they were in total control and are now fully out of the closet and pushing for total take over and subversion of the COTUS. To acheive this goal they have to disarm the citizens, cause we are the last check to there take over!
Been here all these years........ Watching everything going down the crapper every day. Arguing with idiots and getting no where. Unfortunately they are united and we are not.......... Right now it seems that they are winning and we are loosing horribly. I hope the God that I am wrong.
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Old 01-16-2013, 19:19   #31
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Benji- The Communist bullet points are interesting, but its impossible for me to believe that Obama, Reid and Pelosi are intentionally headed towards dismantling our political and economic systems. Major foreign leaders would be all over that scheme because the world depends on our markets, our currency, our military might for peace, our powerful example of democratic government. Many don't like us, but they depend on us.
It is very true that the entire world depends on the U.S. Dollar and the strength of our economy and military power. Both of these things are unsustainable at the rate we as a country are going. The U.S. Dollar is losing its value and our national debt is out of control.

The key evidence for me though is not any conspiracy in what current politicians are doing (although that is worth looking at). I am a senior college student and the University is teaching that capitalism has failed, and that communism is "worth revisting." There is no difference between a Communist party news article from the 1970's than the "current" textbooks of todays classrooms and lectures. Individualism is taught to be outdated and unfair, Communalistic thinking and "the greater good" is an absolute religion. This is real, perhaps the severity of what I'm saying is overestimated however, IT DOES EXIST and it CANNOT BE IGNORED.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:16   #32
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It is very true that the entire world depends on the U.S. Dollar and the strength of our economy and military power. Both of these things are unsustainable at the rate we as a country are going. The U.S. Dollar is losing its value and our national debt is out of control.

The key evidence for me though is not any conspiracy in what current politicians are doing (although that is worth looking at). I am a senior college student and the University is teaching that capitalism has failed, and that communism is "worth revisting." There is no difference between a Communist party news article from the 1970's than the "current" textbooks of todays classrooms and lectures. Individualism is taught to be outdated and unfair, Communalistic thinking and "the greater good" is an absolute religion. This is real, perhaps the severity of what I'm saying is overestimated however, IT DOES EXIST and it CANNOT BE IGNORED.
Benji- I can believe that some intellectuals are thinking and authoring books about 'new world order' political and economic philosophy. What I can't believe is that main stream Democrats are buying into those ideas.

Imagine Obama and his cabinet members meeting with Democrat leaders in Congress at a retreat to discuss legislative strategy for O's second term. Will they be talking about the national debt, government spending cuts, immigration and creating jobs, or would the agenda be about crafting a plan to guide the USA towards socialism?

While Democrats are misguided in wanting more and more entitlement programs for the poor and the middle class, I don't believe in my heart they want the USA to fall from world prominence or to drift towards a socialist state. I don't believe Progressive leaders think Communism is a laudable goal, even in their darkest mental state.

Roots of the gun control issue, it seems to me, must date back to a place in history when something motivated the D party to embrace the issue as a way of distinguishing itself from Rs. Was there such a time when Democrats first started pushing for tougher gun regulation? Was it before JFK's death?

The 1994 AWB was a Clinton initiative, but it was endorsed by Reagan and some other prominent Conservatives. If Progressives were working "in the closet" prior to 1994, why were they crafting anti-gun strategy? Was it, as others have suggested, to set us up for government domination? Was Clinton an architect of the AWB strategy or a pawn of outside influences?

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Old 01-17-2013, 08:50   #33
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Photo....I have the same questions as to why. And you'll never get a real answer.
If you believe the Bible & end of the world stuff, look up end time ministries. The guy that runs it basically spells out how the US is working towards a 1 world gov.
Real or not, I don't know but he does give eye opening insights on everything the US gov has been up to since early 1900's.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:10   #34
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:15   #35
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Bill, Billary, Obamamoa all cut from the same cloth! All have background in Radical thinking do your own resaerch. They all come from the radical 60-70's movemment. All had have devote Communist teachers in there backgrounds. Obamamoa from his Grand parents, Mom and just about every Porf in college to his preacher!

Have you been in a hole for the last 20 years or are you just trying to justify your vote for the USUPER?
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Bill, Billary, Obamamoa all cut from the same cloth! All have background in Radical thinking do your own resaerch. They all come from the radical 60-70's movemment. All had have devote Communist teachers in there backgrounds. Obamamoa from his Grand parents, Mom and just about every Porf in college to his preacher!

Have you been in a hole for the last 20 years or are you just trying to justify your vote for the USUPER?
Gunnut, you misread me. I'm a real Republican with a bias for 'practical' politics.

I'm just not willing to accept mysterious explanations about the Democrat party's determination to load on more gun control; the "manifesto" explanation, for example, seems pretty far fetched. I don't buy the notion Progressives want communism, or even socialism, as the end game.

I could be convinced far-left Ds want significant income redistribution to the extent that wealth accumulation becomes ever more difficult. However, a desire to level the economic playing field doesn't line up with a desire to take our guns away.

So, I'm still looking for a plausible answer to the OP. The absence of Republican commentary about gun control being a step towards Democrat domination, a new world order or any other secret scheme leaves me looking for a less ominous explanation. Somebody must have an answer. Maybe, as someone suggested in another thread, Ds genuinely think we pose a serious threat to public safety with all of these guns in our possession.

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Old 01-17-2013, 10:35   #37
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Photofeller, sometimes the truth can be hidden in the open.
People see it and acknowledge it as real, but hesitate to point it out for fear of being ostracized.
Or it's simple denial, dismissed as being a social trend, pendulum swing, whatever.
IMO it really does amount to collectivism vs the individual. We can argue the degree or debate who's guilty, but we're getting more populated, more dependant on handouts and the successful are being villanized while the poor are martyred as victims of greed.
Guns are a bastion of frontier individualism, not compatible with collectivist thinking if you're at the top of that food chain.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:01   #38
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Why? Take the guns away so criminals take over. Then people will beg for expanded government and police state.
I have a gut feeling many people at the top like gun grabbing totalitarians. I dont mean only people who identify as Libs.

Just a hunch.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:12   #39
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Democrats want guns because they believe without access to guns, people cannot kill one another. There is no reason to over think it or make it more dramatic than it really is.
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It's not about guns.....It's about control.

Yes. Democrats want to control everyone else. Guns are incidental to control.
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Old 01-17-2013, 14:55   #41
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It's all about power.As long as we have guns that can't control us as much as they would like to.
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It's not about guns.....It's about control.

Yes. Democrats want to control everyone else. Guns are incidental to control.
Why don't Republicans reveal what the Ds are up to?

How could you know something the Republican National Committee doesn't know?

Why didn't Glen Beck and Rush L. make a fortune in 2012 spinning the D takeover yarn? Why didn't Romney focus on the D "control plan" like a laser with facts, testimonials, documents, wire tapped conversations and every other shred of information his agents could produce?

Frankly, I don't think Progressive leaders are smart enough or ambitious enough to chase such a bold plan.

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I've known a lot of Democrats who just seem to have a visceral hatred for gun owners and, in some cases, the guns themselves. They look down their noses at gun owners as if we're all violent Neanderthals, which is part of their elitist, so-called "intellectual superiority".
and most of those take what the media spoon feeds them as gospel. an "assault weapon " is fully automatic, fires armor piercing bullets, and can't be seen by an x-ray machine.
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Democrats want guns because they believe without access to guns, people cannot kill one another. There is no reason to over think it or make it more dramatic than it really is.
i think they know better, but, being anti "evil gun/gun owner" lines the coffers for the next "election".

the rubes won't contribute without a bad guy to fight against.
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It's all about power.As long as we have guns that can't control us as much as they would like to.
Bingo!

They are drunk with power... confiscating guns would be the ultimate high for them.
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Bingo!

They are drunk with power... confiscating guns would be the ultimate high for them.
Isn't the source of power actually in the people who elect the anti-gun liberals? Schumer and Feinstein are prime examples of Senators that keep getting re-elected with a clear track record against firearms. Old Harry Reid, on the other hand, represents a pro-gun state so he swings our way on gun legislation.

Think about these examples and how their legislative behavior is reinforced by being re-elected term after term after term. These congressmen aren't free agents; they are accountable to constituents every election cycle.

When you say "...they are drunk with power..." you are saying they are drunk with power provided by their voters. To say they want to take our guns away translates to 'the people in New York and California support taking our guns away while Nevada residents say we have the right to keep them'.

If Feinstein's AWB passes, blame the people who put her in office!

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I think you need to live in a ban area to understand.
Having lived all my life in NYC & then moving & then only caring about a gun years after I moved....Kids are brainwashed from the public schools, K on up. Everything in NYC at least is anti gun. Guns are only for cops. This is the thinking in NYC. Why do I need a gun? I have the police. The crime rate is down, why do I need a gun? The population is so brainwashed with a lack of individual thinking that they vote for these people time & time again & don't have a clue outside their own area.
That's why you have all the anti gun people in the NE of the country. These laws & idea's they have had for decades. Generations & generations of kids that grow up & never move & the cycle just repeats.

And NY specifically look up the Sullivan law & then look up that person. Mob boss...Dumb down the population so there no resistance.

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It's about responsibility. Democrats belive the state has a reponsibility to take care of every aspect of your life, including your protection.

God forbid should you have a gun and be able to protect your own life or that of your family. To the Democrats (the statists), that is the responsibility of the state.
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Why don't Republicans reveal what the Ds are up to?

How could you know something the Republican National Committee doesn't know?

Why didn't Glen Beck and Rush L. make a fortune in 2012 spinning the D takeover yarn? Why didn't Romney focus on the D "control plan" like a laser with facts, testimonials, documents, wire tapped conversations and every other shred of information his agents could produce?

Frankly, I don't think Progressive leaders are smart enough or ambitious enough to chase such a bold plan.
I read and I observe. I also form conclusions based on what I read and observe.

One result of this is that you are not worth responding to.
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Economically dependent, distracted, poorly educated, and unarmed citizens are a lot easier to control. They are totally dependent on the state. Removing guns is a gradual process that will eventually ruin our country if it's allowed to happen.
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