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Old 12-13-2012, 16:42   #26
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the "fix" is to trade your glock for something else!!!
That is what I did!
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NO, but seriously.....
I never had problems with 124gr ammo through my G26 Gen4, only the 115gr variety.
and since this is the Glock subforum...
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Old 12-13-2012, 17:50   #27
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Glock certainly hasn't . SJ 40
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:33   #28
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Glock certainly hasn't . SJ 40
Rumor has it Glock is making a nondipped extractor now, but confirmation depends on who you talk to.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:59   #29
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It seems

that Glock didn't test fire the Gen 4 Glock enough prior to release.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:03   #30
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that Glock didn't test fire the Gen 4 Glock enough prior to release.
That's what we are for the Beta Testers. SJ 40
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:10   #31
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Ho do you get brass to the face, unless you are practicing defensive-hold shooting, or something like that? I have a Model 26 Gen4, almost new. Ejection was erratic for the first four or five magazines. After that it became a bit more predictable. Seems normal to me. One thing I proved to myself, and this is for the Glock haters, when I pull the trigger on this new Glock, it does exactly what my other Glocks have done - "BANG". No FTE or FTF. It just shoots. It is easy to clean, and it is easy to check the safety system. It won't rust, and it feels terrific in the hand. It shoots straight, and it needs no modifications, except some really good night sights.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:34   #32
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Ho do you get brass to the face, unless you are practicing defensive-hold shooting, or something like that?
Before you say that, do the research. There are PLENTY of videos showing ejection to the right, to the rear and to the left. Any way you cut it, ejection to the LEFT is wrong!
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I have a Model 26 Gen4, almost new. Ejection was erratic for the first four or five magazines. After that it became a bit more predictable. Seems normal to me.
Not every gun fails and most don't fail until they get up around 1000 rounds. Yours may never fail. But that doesn't diminish the fact that other guns are failing. Including my G21SF. For the first several hundred rounds it ejected to the right a couple of feet. Not robust but ok. Now, a fair percentage of the brass is coming straight back, dribbling off my right arm and, yes, ejecting to the left. Not the kind of thing I want to see. Most of the complaints revolve around 9mm but that's only because most of the gun sales are 9mm.
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One thing I proved to myself, and this is for the Glock haters, when I pull the trigger on this new Glock, it does exactly what my other Glocks have done - "BANG". No FTE or FTF. It just shoots. It is easy to clean, and it is easy to check the safety system. It won't rust, and it feels terrific in the hand. It shoots straight, and it needs no modifications, except some really good night sights.
And that certainly isn't unique to Glock. I have Colts, Sigs and even an XD9 and they all work just fine with everything I shoot.

The real disappointment isn't that there are problems with Glocks. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be a universal 'fix' that makes all these threads go away.

I bought a Glock because I had heard good things about the platform and I had never owned one. It was just an experiment as I certainly didn't need another .45. Seems I came to the dance too late. The Glock Perfection was long gone.

Nobody comes with the intent to start yet another thread re: poor ejection. They come here because they HAVE poor ejection and want to know if there is even a possibility that it can be corrected. Everybody want their Glocks to run like the old guns. The guns that used to be Perfect.

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Old 01-12-2013, 08:15   #33
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Finally......

Sent it to Glock and when it came back it ran great for 35 rounds, the next two were typical for the original problem. Ran total of 100 rounds thru it and had a total of 9 hits to the head and 3 went forward.
So me being me, I took out the HRED and installed it (got here while waiting on return from Glock).
It helped but after two hits in 30 rounds I didn't think it was fixed.
In goes the apex extractor and as of now, 300 rounds later I have not had a single "soft ejection", b.t.f. or ANY issues what so ever.
It is now, IMHO a Glock...
Thank you for your input!
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:35   #34
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Sold my Gen4 23 and bought a M&P. Problem solved.
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:42   #35
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I have a G17, G19, G26 Gen 4 all bought the last 15 months. Never had one problem. Would buy another Gen 4.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:30   #36
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I have one of the new all american Glocks. I was told by the Glock reresentative when I spoke with him after my last replacement gun their was no new non-dipped extractor. Still insisted that it was an ejector problem. Got my new GEN4 G19 and it has a non-dip extractor.
So far it's been good for over 200 rounds. I'm still leary. Two other replacement GEN4 G19's were good for 800 and 2000 rounds before problems. I have the APEX extractor if I need it. But I'm going to stick with the stock one to see if it gives me any trouble. So far good ejection between 3:00-4:00 even with cheap 115gr. stuff.
Which being SAMMI SPEC it should work. Still likes the heavier hotter stuff better. But as I mentioned in other posts I've now seen two G17's at my local Academy Sports with non-dipped extractors. Both late model GEN's. All the others had the dipped extractor. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. But it's not a myth.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:31   #37
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Yes. My Glock 26 Gen 4 gave me BTF from round one out of the box. Gotta figure the tester took two to the face too but shipped the gun anyway.

My fault - I expected "Glock perfection." My expectations were wrong. I read the new book Glock, America's Gun and learned the perfection pitch is a myth. So now I accept the imperfection and the Glock no-service.

First thing I did was install a steel recoil spring guide. No clue why that worked but it did reroute 100% of the brass from hitting me in the face to raining down on my head/hat.

Second thing I did was grit my teeth and spring for an Apex Tactical gen 4 extractor and plunger spring thingie. That moved the brass to 4 o'clock. No BTF or head since.

So yes, there is a fix - at least for my G26 Gen 4. Did have to wait for the Apex Tactical stuff to become available. Apparently there's quite a market in making parts that work to replace Glock's OEM parts.

And I sure wish I'd gotten a good one so I could post that I'd never had a problem instead of do all the research to try to figure out how to fix the thing...and that those folks on the forum that never had a problem got this gun....but...if life were fair I'd been dead long ago.
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Old 01-15-2013, 17:32   #38
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Have a recent production glock17gen3 that had the BTF problem. Had a glock armorer look at it and said it was within factory specs and to try 124 grain ammo, tried that and still had the problem. Sent gun to glock, they replaced extractor, firing pin, saftey sleeve, firing pin spring, firing pin spring cups, slide lock,slide lock spring, trigger housing with ejector, and trigger with trigger bar? Had about 1800 round through gun. The guns works perfectly now. No BTF and strong ejection. Have about 200 rounds through since getting gun back an zero problems.
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Old 01-15-2013, 22:58   #39
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Sent gun to glock, they replaced extractor, firing pin, saftey sleeve, firing pin spring, firing pin spring cups, slide lock,slide lock spring, trigger housing with ejector, and trigger with trigger bar? Had about 1800 round through gun. The guns works perfectly now. No BTF and strong ejection. Have about 200 rounds through since getting gun back an zero problems.
It seems like they keep throwing part at it in hope somehow it gets fixed...
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:04   #40
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I'm saying no! Took my new Gen 4 27 to the range last week and was continually taking brass to the face. Sucks.


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Old 01-16-2013, 07:46   #41
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I have been looking and all I have found are "kinda" work fixes.
G.T. has proven to be the best place I have found for (mostly) reliable info. so it is only fitting to ask here.
What I have are two Gen4 17s (pfcxxx and tgbxxx) that love to hit me and my wife in the head with brass. If it were an occasional tap every now and then I wouldn't be too put out about it but, my wife is just starting to shoot (I still have my first gun from 1975) and when a hot piece of brass glues itself to her, that makes a bad day...
She has fired my Kimber, Ruger, Colt, Smith, you name it but she loves the Glock!! She likes my PPQ but hates the 40 cal round. So I MUST get these things fixed. Glock has done NOTHING for us (same spring/extractor/ejector).
what I have done:
1. Stoned / polished extractor - helped but after 20 rounds started getting pummeled again.
2. Put 40 cal extractor in after "fitting" - helped, stoned and polished same - no difference.
3. made 4 loads using different powder/weight combos - real hot loads work 80% of the time but she cant shoot 50 without feeling it (no fun). Soft loads work as wwb. 50-60%
4. Stand in one place looking stupid. That for some reason got many onlookers but fixed nothing.
Any new fixes will be appreciated!!
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:52   #42
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Old 01-16-2013, 16:48   #43
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It seems like they keep throwing part at it in hope somehow it gets fixed...
Maybe, but now I have a gun with all new parts and one that works great. Good customer service if you ask me. For years If I had a problem with a gun I would get rid of it right away and usually loose money on the deal, now I send them back to the factory. They usually come back working great, A few have come back as basically semi custom, with tuned and smoothed actions, polished chambers ect... If they give me problems after I get them back then I send them down the road.
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Old 01-16-2013, 18:45   #44
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Old 01-16-2013, 19:20   #45
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There is a guy on here, I think plouffedaddy is his user name. He is a excellent shooter, he applies an perfect grip and stance when he shoots his Glock 19 gen4, just like Tiro Fijo and Bren. But his gun still ejected very erratic. It wasn't the ammo because he tryed multiple brands of ammo in his videos, if I remember correctly.

Why is that Tiro Fijo and Bren? Why did his gun and many other newer Glocks not function properly?

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Old 01-16-2013, 19:54   #46
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I was at the range getting nailed by my 21 and by the dude next to with a 23
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Old 01-16-2013, 20:35   #47
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There is a guy on here, I think plouffedaddy is his user name. He is a excellent shooter, he applies an perfect grip and stance when he shoots his Glock 19 gen4, just like Tiro Fijo and Bren. But his gun still ejected very erratic. It wasn't the ammo because he tryed multiple brands of ammo in his videos, if I remember correctly.

Why is that Tiro Fijo and Bren? Why did his gun and many other newer Glocks not function properly?

I don't use the modern erect arms/thumbs forward grip like Plouffedaddy. As a matter of fact, I despise it. I use the older Weaver stance. Plouffedaddy's woman was having trouble if I recall and it was obvious that she was breaking her wrists. I remember her video.

Next question?

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Old 01-16-2013, 20:45   #48
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Gen 4 G19 no problems in 700 rounds.

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Old 01-17-2013, 10:21   #49
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I dunno about the gen4s, all of my 9mms are gen3 and I have never had a problem. Only think I can think is new RSA. Anyone try using LoneWolfs conversion kit to allow use of the Gen3 recoil spring? I bought one for my gen4 21 so I can change to heavier/lighter recoil springs. Maybe that would cure it. All of my gen4 .40s and .357s have been flawless with ejection. I still think it is the new RSA with the gen4 9mm.
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Old 01-18-2013, 15:47   #50
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I am a first time gun owner, and just bought a Gen 4 G17. While I love the gun, it does seem to sometimes have the brass eject in the face issues. (Not all of the time though) The Apex extractor and spring that folks are talking about, is this something that I can easily install myself? or do I have to have a gun smith do it? Also I only have shot around 150 rounds so far.. Will the problem potentially go away as I shot it more? I am using Magtech 115gr ammo.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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