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Old 01-16-2013, 09:45   #26
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New York just passed a new gun control law:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S02230&term=2013

One of the provisions is you can't have more than a 7-round magazine.

Any views on how this affects carry under LEOSA?

I read the text of the law and there was no exception for police officers (in-state or out of state).

Recall LEOSA only supersedes the laws of states regarding concealed carry. It simply says notwithstanding the laws of any state, an LEO "may carry a concealed firearm." It is not specific as to things like number of rounds.

Is there someone in NY who has a take on this?
Can't speak to the credibility of the source but I hear there's already an addendum in composition addressing LEOs and this new legislation.

And correct as someone else noted, LEOSA does not address mags so retired MOS thereunder are subject to this nonsense. If you have a 10rd mag you can only load it with 7. Seriously?

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:28   #27
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If you have hardware you want but is now illegal, send it to a relative or trusted friend out of state or hide it until this nonsense is repealed when the impending control of the legislature shifts back to R.

One of the female NY sens., I think maybe Marchione?, has a petition on her .gov site.

None of us can believe and are literally sick over it. All of my LE cronies and friends have spent the last week calling and emailing the reps here obviously to no avail. The ban and mag cap components of this trash are so painfully misdirected and ill-conceived by this shmuck of unrivaled caliber (Gov) it frustrates me to the point of pain.

Do a youtube search for Sen. Greg Ball's comments at the session Monday - made me proud to be in his district. Same guy who is leading the charge against the Journal News' publishing of the permit holder map.


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Here it is.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2rRSUEaLKvA

Please, please, please take a look at this one as well.......It's a lengthy, but worth it...It's the NYS Legislature in action and take note of the :20 second and 13:50 mark......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=lmPCRJJFlKA
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:26   #28
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Guys, I was waiting for the congressional proposals to be announced. Today they have.

I encourage everyone covered under LEOSA to contact their congressmen AND their PBA, FOP or other LE organization. We all pay dues but rarely need them, if ever.
We NEED their political power NOW.
Their phone number is probably on the card with your membership number on it.

What we need is a change in LEOSA which would allow "high capacity" magazines to be utilized by off duty and retired LE already covered under LEOSA.




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Old 01-16-2013, 11:33   #29
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Guys, I was waiting for the congressional proposals to be announced. Today they have.

I encourage everyone covered under LEOSA to contact their congressmen AND their PBA, FOP or other LE organization. We all pay dues but rarely need them, if ever.
We NEED their political power NOW.
Their phone number is probably on the card with your membership number on it.

What we need is a change in LEOSA which would allow "high capacity" magazines to be utilized by off duty and retired LE already covered under LEOSA.



Absolutely.

Between condemning the AYEs and praising the NAYs on this legislation this contact campaign is becoming a full time job for me. Jesus.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:07   #30
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I just sent an email to the SSPBA.

The president is Mr. Tommy Simpson. He is a good man.

I encourage ALL SSPBA members to email him at
TSIMPSON.SSPBA.ORG




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Old 01-16-2013, 12:10   #31
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I just sent an email to the SSPBA.

The president is Mr. Tommy Simpson. He is a good man.

I encourage ALL SSPBA members to email him at
TSIMPSON.SSPBA.ORG
Did same to FOP.

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On the New York State Police webiste: What is defined as an assault weapon.

http://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/NYS_SAFE_Act/

How does LEOSA deal with a state defining a gun as an assault weapon?
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:45   #33
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On the New York State Police webiste: What is defined as an assault weapon.

http://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/NYS_SAFE_Act/

How does LEOSA deal with a state defining a gun as an assault weapon?
Do you mean apropos a handgun that could be construed to be an AW? Or do you mean LEOSA re AW? If the latter, does not address AW in the conventional reference.



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Old 01-16-2013, 13:08   #34
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Good Lord. The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home, indeed. How is it that the unions and professional LEO organizations weren't able to get the LEO exceptions written into the original law? No suction or just no time?

No trips to the Northeast for me, unless or until I gets me a decent wheelgun.
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Good Lord. The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home, indeed. How is it that the unions and professional LEO organizations weren't able to get the LEO exceptions written into the original law? No suction or just no time?

No trips to the Northeast for me, unless or until I gets me a decent wheelgun.
Police officers are exempt from the licensing statute.
Peace officers...it depends.

NY retired police and peace officers = Red haired step children with leprosy.

Out of state LE and out of state retired LE = no problem to active duty LE, but viewed with deep suspicion and cynicism by Bloomberg, et al.
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Did same to FOP.
Same here. Just penned a letter to my local lodge and will also forward to the National.
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The more I think of this he more pissed I get.


Gallium what do you mean by this?

Police officers are exempt from the licensing statute.
Peace officers...it depends.
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The more I think of this he more pissed I get.


Gallium what do you mean by this?

Police officers are exempt from the licensing statute.
Peace officers...it depends.
Are you a peace officer in NY? If yes, then you know that depending on your agency, you may, or may not be allowed to carry on your credentials off duty. There are A TON of "peace officer" designations in NY. A few years back it was ridiculously easy to create an agency with peace officers (the classic case was the dude from Yonkers who started a version of the ASPCA, and was doling out peace officer status to his cronies).

It really does depend on your agency if you are a peace officer.

Article 265 has always provided blanket exemption to police officers (on or off duty), and granular exemption to peace officers.

I am not a cop or a peace officer.
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You don't need to have a test case. Just present a case legislativley. Have all the facts on the retired LEO's training, the fact that HP's are more effective and less likely to pass through the suspect and injuring an innocent person.

Besides I can't speak for everyone but when I'm off duty I am a civillian!
That doesn't help you when you are sitting in the county jail with a $50,000 bail because some country prosecutor has decided you need to be made an example of. You may win in the end, but at what cost. I have read the state AG will address the LEOSA HP issue in NJ at some point.
In the mean time, use Critical Defense ammo, that what the NJSP tells it retiring troopers to use.
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SO how and when are we going to find out what all the facts of this new law?

I can't believe this is happening what bs I truly hope this gets overturned at some point.

All this does is harm the average citizen, I can't believe they think true criminals are going to care about this law, there not sitting around stressing it.
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Why should retired LEO be more privileged than a citizen with a carry permit?


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Im not a leo, but can congress prohibit states from banning guns, mags, ammo and other gun accessories not prohibited by federal law?
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Take it up with President Bush, he signed it.
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SO how and when are we going to find out what all the facts of this new law?

I can't believe this is happening what bs I truly hope this gets overturned at some point.

All this does is harm the average citizen, I can't believe they think true criminals are going to care about this law, there not sitting around stressing it.
Right on Z. That's why this is so painful and frustrating; watch Assemblyman McLaughlin articulate so many of the issues w.the bill here http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=lmPCRJJFlKA . He nails so many salient points, to which there's no reasonable, justifiable response and those given in the vid are laughable.

This was quite literally a blitzkrieg and there's a lot still to be worked out, such as how the hell they're going to enforce much of the new laws; there's no plan for a lot of it.

You want the facts?! Here's the bill in it's entirety. I printed it out so as not to go monitor-blind.
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013
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That doesn't help you when you are sitting in the county jail with a $50,000 bail because some country prosecutor has decided you need to be made an example of. You may win in the end, but at what cost. I have read the state AG will address the LEOSA HP issue in NJ at some point.
In the mean time, use Critical Defense ammo, that what the NJSP tells it retiring troopers to use.
The AG can address it all he wants. It doesnt matter.

It will have the same impact as states who have a law stating they will not enforce a federal AWB law. State, county and local LE dont enforce federal laws on their own anyway. Its all political posturing. I bet if the feds were denied assistance in enforcing these laws and they decided to hold up all federal funding for that state until they did, things would be different.

Mississippi, my state, is now drafting legislation enforcing the 2A. It is still only political grandstanding.



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SO how and when are we going to find out what all the facts of this new law?

I can't believe this is happening what bs I truly hope this gets overturned at some point.

All this does is harm the average citizen, I can't believe they think true criminals are going to care about this law, there not sitting around stressing it.

I am a (lowly) NRA instructor. People have been calling, emailing and texting me in a very steady stream since this morning - those who don't follow this stuff closely, asking me HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN??? I tell them they have to really keep their eyes on those ****ers in Albany. All it takes here is 3 men in a room to make a law (governor, speaker and president of the senate). It has mostly always been that way.


I ask you this:

The young man who is bent out of reality...he has a gun, let us say it is a Glock, and it is loaded with seven rounds, plus one in the chamber.

That 1st trigger pull, for that 1st round...do you think he is going to fire 6 or 7 rounds into the ground first to see if he can really do it, or do those crazy people start shooting to kill on round 1?

So those idiots banning standard capacity magazines...the dude who is intent on killing as many people as possible...does a 10 rd mag downloaded to 7 make a difference when everyone else is disarmed in a "gun free zone"? Is he stopping at round # 8 to go to a new magazine? Does it matter if the ban puts the round count at 3?

When guns are completely banned, and those crazy people decide to use a padlock to lock people in a room, doused with gasoline and torch em...then what?

I know, rhetorical question(s).
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When guns are completely banned, and those crazy people decide to use a padlock to lock people in a room, doused with gasoline and torch em...then what?
Don't be silly, fortunately the politicians have thought ahead on this one.

As you know, because of a previous state law a couple years ago, the gasoline can only be poured from a ventless container.

That means the gas will at first pour out a few ounces, then gurgle to a stop, then the container will struggle for a few moments to fill back up with air Thus giving the victims lots of time to figure out an escape.

And as the bad guy attempts to tip the container back up to move to another position, the ventless nozzle will undoubtedly stick open and spill all over his leg, while unleashing 10x more fumes into the atmosphere than the old outlawed vented containers ever did.

By time the bad guy is ready to light the fire, he'll be soaked in gas and hardly any gas will have made it to his objective.


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Ok what is the verdict??? I am planning on being in NYC later this month and in February. I am/was planning on carrying my off-duty G27.........

I know NYPD is very friendly towards visiting out-of-state officers. How will they look at the 9-round magazine of my official off-duty/back-up weapon?
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Don't be silly, fortunately the politicians have thought ahead on this one.

As you know, because of a previous state law a couple years ago, the gasoline can only be poured from a ventless container.

That means the gas will at first pour out a few ounces, then gurgle to a stop, then the container will struggle for a few moments to fill back up with air Thus giving the victims lots of time to figure out an escape.

And as the bad guy attempts to tip the container back up to move to another position, the ventless nozzle will undoubtedly stick open and spill all over his leg, while unleaching 10x more fumes into the atmosphere than the old outlawed vented containers ever did.

By time the bad guy is ready to light the fire, he'll be soaked in gas and hardly any gas will have made it to his objective.

I'm laughing because 1. that's a damn funny analogy, and 2. it's so true it forces a laugh of despair . Hell I take that stupid ass nozzle off and use a funnel instead. If I see an old school red can, with the flex nozzle that dips into the can, on the highway shoulder I will risk my car and life to pull over and grab it! Sad, I know.
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