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Old 01-16-2013, 06:53   #351
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I did just that today actually. As gun owners it is our responsibility to do our best to keep guns in the correct hands. Keeping them out of the hands of criminals or the mentally ill is part of our job as responsible gun owners. I bought an ar a few weeks ago. Ended up getting another this week that i liked better so i sold the one i got before. Sold in under a day on armslist. Terms of the sale was filling out a bill of sale, having a valid iowa id, and having a permit to purchase handguns or permit to carry (in iowa this means they have already passed a background check). It was easy as pie. No rights were violated and i know the gun i sold wasnt going to someone who shouldnt have one.

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I've never met a person alive that didn't get a driver's license number and a bill of sale when buying or selling a gun. It's a non-issue. Most people don't want or need a government conducting the sale for them. Hell, I even do do it for knives and computer sales.

When I buy or sell a computer I want to make sure that the computer isn't going to be used to store child pornography because I understand most child pornographers have/use computers for their crimes. I have young children so I am pretty touchy on this issue.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:19   #352
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I can tell you this, my officers didn't confiscate **** while we were there. Further, the only police I even heard about doing so were New Orleans PD and California State Police. There might have been more but I actually had not even thought about it until right now.

Regardless it is not a common police ideal to run around and take peoples guns. I am sorry to bust all the bubbles that seem to be floating around about it.





Not sure on this one and I actually do not know anyone currently working for NYC. I would hope some would have common sense but that is not always the case.

i get most cops probably wouldn't want to and probably believe they wouldn't do something like that if it came to it... but how many would be willing to lose their job/income/means of putting food on the table for their family?

I think most won't like it, but if they're gun is not getting taken away and they would no longer be able to provide for their family... i think most will at least go through the motions, even if they don't like it.

How many do you think would make a big stand and lose their job?

How many of us would quit our jobs right now and come to the aid of someone else who's rights are being violated?

It's not like the movies. The cop doesn't make a big stand, quit his job, stand for principle then the music plays and the credits roll... the cop will wake up the next day, jobless, hoping he finds a way to make his house payment and keep the lights on. i don't know how many will make that sacrifice...
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:26   #353
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I really don't mind a madatory background check when selling or buying with someone I don't know in a private sale. I would be ok with having to meet at an FFL so they can to one on the buyer. Say its a $20 or $30 fee, it would help out those businesses a bit.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:32   #354
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I do not know a cop personally that would take a law abiding citizens firearm, not a single one. But hey all cops are a tool that will be used to confiscate your guns, we will haz your bases to.

It is being reported here in NY that the NY state police had an integral part in the wording of the new BOHICA **** me hard law passed yesterday.

I take it you don't know a lot of cops.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:37   #355
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I've never met a person alive that didn't get a driver's license number and a bill of sale when buying or selling a gun. It's a non-issue. Most people don't want or need a government conducting the sale for them. Hell, I even do do it for knives and computer sales.

When I buy or sell a computer I want to make sure that the computer isn't going to be used to store child pornography because I understand most child pornographers have/use computers for their crimes. I have young children so I am pretty touchy on this issue.
Lmao! You new here? Ill tell you that you and i are in the minority on this one around here.

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Old 01-16-2013, 07:43   #356
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It is being reported here in NY that the NY state police had an integral part in the wording of the new BOHICA **** me hard law passed yesterday.

I take it you don't know a lot of cops.
Living in NY, PA and FL I've learned that police in NY have a entitlement mentality, they believe themselves to be special human beings that possess special powers. Police in PA and FL have much different thought content. And NYSP are by far the worst offenders of this thinking.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:43   #357
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I've never met a person alive that didn't get a driver's license number and a bill of sale when buying or selling a gun. It's a non-issue. Most people don't want or need a government conducting the sale for them. Hell, I even do do it for knives and computer sales.

When I buy or sell a computer I want to make sure that the computer isn't going to be used to store child pornography because I understand most child pornographers have/use computers for their crimes. I have young children so I am pretty touchy on this issue.
It must suck where you live. I have bought, sold and traded many, many guns over the years. One guy actually had me sign a bill of sale, but he moved here from up north. other than that, one person is handed cash, one person is handed a gun and we both go on our way.

That post looks so #^%*&^$ crazy, when I get to the second paragraph, that I wonder if you are being sarcastic and making fun of NickC50310 for being such an uptight newb. You obviously can't be serious about getting ID for knives and computers, etc., but the first part looked like you were.
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It must suck where you live. I have bought, sold and traded many, many guns over the years. One guy actually had me sign a bill of sale, but he moved here from up north. other than that, one person is handed cash, one person is handed a gun and we both go on our way.

That post looks so #^%*&^$ crazy, when I get to the second paragraph, that I wonder if you are being sarcastic and making fun of NickC50310 for being such an uptight newb. You obviously can't be serious about getting ID for knives and computers, etc., but the first part looked like you were.
I have done I would guess 15 or so face to face buying or selling transaction on guns over the last 20 years. Never had a bill of sale or ID go either way. Never had an issue either. I would not be offended if someone asked me too but no one every has nor have I ever asked anyone.

Closest I ever came was selling 3 WWII rifles and ammo to a guy, he gave me his business card if I ever needed a lawyer
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Very very good question. If, once the new requirement is made known, you go ahead and sell a gun without a transfer, you will be technically breaking the law. How are they going to know? They might not ever know. But if something goes wrong, watch out.
My thoughts exactly. Their will probably be a huge number of local police and ATF stings to sell guns to people who are trying to buy them "illegally," thus making a lot more people unable to own guns.



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Old 01-16-2013, 08:00   #360
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i get most cops probably wouldn't want to and probably believe they wouldn't do something like that if it came to it... but how many would be willing to lose their job/income/means of putting food on the table for their family?

I think most won't like it, but if they're gun is not getting taken away and they would no longer be able to provide for their family... i think most will at least go through the motions, even if they don't like it.

How many do you think would make a big stand and lose their job?

How many of us would quit our jobs right now and come to the aid of someone else who's rights are being violated?

It's not like the movies. The cop doesn't make a big stand, quit his job, stand for principle then the music plays and the credits roll... the cop will wake up the next day, jobless, hoping he finds a way to make his house payment and keep the lights on. i don't know how many will make that sacrifice...
I think you are making broad sweeping brush stroke opinions on how we may or may not react. If you read or listen to the media cops are already making stands in positions as high as the Sheriff of large countys. NO not all will and I can't speak for all of them and for sure don't know all of them but hey I would like to hope.

I am telling you that even if there is a % of cops which there WILL BE that refuse to break the law you are still gaining for the fight to keep our 2nd the way it is supposed to be.

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It is being reported here in NY that the NY state police had an integral part in the wording of the new BOHICA **** me hard law passed yesterday.

I take it you don't know a lot of cops.
I don't know a lot of cops from NY you are correct, actually none currently employed. But believe or not I have a life outside of GT and might be a member/moderator of some of the largest police discussion forums available and might talking to thousands of cops not just from the US but the world daily.

Also believe it or not NY is not the deciding factor in the US on how LE behave and or interact with the population.
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I think I'd be willing to compromise with mandatory bill of sale on private sales. Keep them for, say, five years? Then throw them away.

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Old 01-16-2013, 08:19   #362
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I think I'd be willing to compromise with mandatory bill of sale on private sales. Keep them for, say, five years? Then throw them away.

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Old 01-16-2013, 08:22   #363
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:49   #364
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I really don't mind a madatory background check when selling or buying with someone I don't know in a private sale. I would be ok with having to meet at an FFL so they can to one on the buyer. Say its a $20 or $30 fee, it would help out those businesses a bit.
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OMG, he has kids on the stage...what a tool to use the kids
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Not sure if someone else has posted it, but here is a link to the live feed:

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21 Possible Federal Actions

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...violence-plan/

some of these taken with face value don't bother me some do. Specifically I like the idea of federally funded training for SRO programs and the Like.

He did not announce an EO on Assult Weapons
He did not announce an EO on Mag Capacity

Those 21 thigns are largely mundaine from my prospective and I was afraid that he would EO one or both of those things. He did not.

This is going to be a political battle for sure but frankly this today for the moment could have been much much worse.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:28   #368
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some of these taken with face value don't bother me some do. Specifically I like the idea of federally funded training for SRO programs and the Like.

He did not announce an EO on Assult Weapons
He did not announce an EO on Mag Capacity

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Yes, he did. He announced he wanted to re-instate the Brady Ban from 1994 = Assult Weapons & 10 rd mag limits.

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some of these taken with face value don't bother me some do. Specifically I like the idea of federally funded training for SRO programs and the Like.

He did not announce an EO on Assult Weapons
He did not announce an EO on Mag Capacity

Those 21 thigns are largely mundaine from my prospective and I was afraid that he would EO one or both of those things. He did not.

This is going to be a political battle for sure but frankly this today for the moment could have been much much worse.
It almost would have been better to sign an EO reinstating the AWB, as it would have been overturned almost immediately.
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Yes, he did. He announced he wanted to re-instate the Brady Ban from 1994 = Assult Weapons & 10 rd mag limits.
Which even he realizes he can't legally do by EO... kinda surprises me he acknowledges there's any limit to his powers. This is why we need to be relentless in contacting our congresscritters and telling them not no, but hell no.
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some of these taken with face value don't bother me some do. Specifically I like the idea of federally funded training for SRO programs and the Like.

He did not announce an EO on Assult Weapons
He did not announce an EO on Mag Capacity

Those 21 thigns are largely mundaine from my prospective and I was afraid that he would EO one or both of those things. He did not.

This is going to be a political battle for sure but frankly this today for the moment could have been much much worse.
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What I said was he did not EO the AWB which he did not. He is asking congress to do it. We need to continue to write our reps and each others reps and anyone else who will listen.
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some of these taken with face value don't bother me some do. Specifically I like the idea of federally funded training for SRO programs and the Like.

He did not announce an EO on Assult Weapons
He did not announce an EO on Mag Capacity

Those 21 thigns are largely mundaine from my prospective and I was afraid that he would EO one or both of those things. He did not.

This is going to be a political battle for sure but frankly this today for the moment could have been much much worse.
Totally agree! The NRA needs to keep fighting and they will, but this speech could have been a lot worse.
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All in all, today was a photo op and not much more. The ball is in Congress' court concerning enacting a new AWB, mag limits, etc. I'm betting public outcry will keep them from passing into law...and Obongo will blame the Republicans, scoring political points. The 2014 elections will be key - we need to elect pro-gun candidates and oust anti-gun ones.

Today was a victory. We dodged the firing of the starting gun for the next American Revolution - for today. Keep up the fire on Congress. Let them know we will NOT accept any new AWB or magazine limits.
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