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Old 01-15-2013, 13:17   #276
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Is there just a wee bit of difference between there and here?

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Yes - the people here have a great deal more education, resources, military training and experience, weapons, and connections to foreign support, than any group of insurgents the U.S. has ever fought.
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Old 01-15-2013, 13:20   #277
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Old 01-15-2013, 13:22   #278
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It's Tuesday, the panic is over? Where can I buy some ammo?
Please stand by. Due to technical difficulties, the end-of-panic scheduled for today has been postponed until tomorrow at 12:00 PM Eastern (11:00 AM CST).

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Old 01-15-2013, 13:25   #279
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You are correct. However, in the absence of a credible movement and/or major event, people will never take physical action, regardless of what happens to the government, economy, freedom, safety, etc.
And that's how the frog gets cooked. No one know where the tipping point is, even if one exists.
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Old 01-15-2013, 13:32   #280
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Old 01-15-2013, 13:49   #281
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The mental health issue is going to be bantered about a lot. Look for these issues to be integrated into future background checks. (ie. If you have ever been diagnosed with certain conditions, and possibly even the medications you are on).
This. They could easily label 70% of the population mentally unstable to own a gun. Everyone these days are on anxiety, depression or sleep meds it seems. Depends how far they want to take it.
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Old 01-15-2013, 14:14   #282
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On the one hand determined people living in caves have had some success in not faling to our military, although they do have the home field advantage.
When we look at 800000 households versus 700000 officers the odds look very good. But I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that next Tuesday when the confiscation starts the police may use more than one or two officers and not go to all the residences in question simultaneously. They might even not knock first.
If they came to a guy's door, there would only be two choices - turn in his guns or die. There isn't an in-between. If someone decided to resist a gun grab, the intent wouldn't be to try to defeat an entire squad of SWAT team/military members but to slow them down by taking a couple of them with him and give his neighbors a chance of not facing the same fate. This is something the left just doesn't understand - people who truly believe in an afterlife don't fear death (if they've mentally prepared themselves) and realize that how they die can be more important than when they die.
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Old 01-15-2013, 14:31   #283
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Afghanistan terrain...
Is nothing compared to American terrain. In fact, terrain would favor American insurgents more than any other factor I named. Much of America would be more comparable to Vietnam. Have you seen Afghanistan?

Try hiding an Army in this (which, by the way, would qualify as one of the 2 or 3 greenest places I've seen in Afghanistan):
The Okie Corral

In contrast, go to Eastern Kentucky, where we grow most of America's marijuana, because there is so much concealment and it is so hard for the police to get to it. You could hide a very large Army there and not be seen from the air.

Afghanistan would give a much greater advantage to the conventional Army, with air power and heavy vehicles and large troop movements, than the U.S.
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Old 01-15-2013, 15:14   #284
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Is nothing compared to American terrain. In fact, terrain would favor American insurgents more than any other factor I named. Much of America would be more comparable to Vietnam. Have you seen Afghanistan?

Try hiding an Army in this (which, by the way, would qualify as one of the 2 or 3 greenest places I've seen in Afghanistan):
The Okie Corral

In contrast, go to Eastern Kentucky, where we grow most of America's marijuana, because there is so much concealment and it is so hard for the police to get to it. You could hide a very large Army there and not be seen from the air.

Afghanistan would give a much greater advantage to the conventional Army, with air power and heavy vehicles and large troop movements, than the U.S.
And as stated above without a brainwash or the proper propaganda in place there is a good chance we would have a full on military clash as well. Soldiers and believe it or not most cops I know are citizens as well and love their guns.

I do not know a cop personally that would take a law abiding citizens firearm, not a single one. But hey all cops are a tool that will be used to confiscate your guns, we will haz your bases to.
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Old 01-15-2013, 15:56   #285
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...Have you seen Afghanistan?

Try hiding an Army in this (which, by the way, would qualify as one of the 2 or 3 greenest places I've seen in Afghanistan):
The Okie Corral
I realize you're kind of making a joke here, but in all seriousness the terrain in Afghanistan is very similar to California. There are areas that have a lot of vegetation, and it is absolute hell to patrol through there when you can't see further than 30 ft in front of you. I'm on vacation right now and don't have access to any of photos from deployments there, but I found this on the internet pretty quickly:

The Okie Corral

Some areas are without any sort of vegetation, and then others look like the image above. Regardless, the terrain and weather are some of your worst enemies in an area like Afghanistan. No disrespect (sometimes things are misconstrued on GT lol), but have you ever been there before?
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Amidst all of Obama's crazy talk, it is nice to know there are 288 members of Congress with an A rating from the NRA. That's over half, people, even though the loudmouth Feinsteins and Schumers get all the publicity from the MSM.
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Old 01-15-2013, 16:52   #287
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But look at Afghanistan and remember the trouble that we as well as the Russians have had and you see what would lie in store in the citizens revolted in the US. It would be an unending situation for the military.
The people in Afghanistan are tough Mo-Fos with a homeland to defend from centuries of invaders.

The people in this country, even the internet commandos, by and large wet their pants when their iPhone can't get 4G internet service.
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I do not know a cop personally that would take a law abiding citizens firearm, not a single one. But hey all cops are a tool that will be used to confiscate your guns, we will haz your bases to.
The past decade has been spent militarizing the police and programming them into an "us vs. them" mentality via the "War on Terror" and the "War on Drugs".

With the Patriot Act, we haven't had civil rights since Bush.

Look at the TSA guys that grab your junk for "safety". Put a gun and a SWAT costume on the same drone, and gee it looks like Germany in the 1930s all over again.

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FWIW: Amazing how the same NY legislature that can NEVER turn in a state budget on time has the gun stuff signed, sealed and delivered in 30 days. This is the crisis "Fast and Furious" was supposed to be, and was blatantly planned long before this "precipitating event".
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Old 01-15-2013, 17:22   #290
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Old 01-15-2013, 17:26   #291
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If they came to a guy's door, there would only be two choices - turn in his guns or die. There isn't an in-between. If someone decided to resist a gun grab, the intent wouldn't be to try to defeat an entire squad of SWAT team/military members but to slow them down by taking a couple of them with him and give his neighbors a chance of not facing the same fate. This is something the left just doesn't understand - people who truly believe in an afterlife don't fear death (if they've mentally prepared themselves) and realize that how they die can be more important than when they die.
Exactly, we all die at some point there is no other way out. So you can either die for something you believe in or in shame for having no backbone.
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The past decade has been spent militarizing the police and programming them into an "us vs. them" mentality via the "War on Terror" and the "War on Drugs".

With the Patriot Act, we haven't had civil rights since Bush.

Look at the TSA guys that grab your junk for "safety". Put a gun and a SWAT costume on the same drone, and gee it looks like Germany in the 1930s all over again.
So I guess maybe I am not seeing this programming at a municipality level or county level. I am not sure what you are talking about as a veteran police officer. We arm ourselves the best we can yes, we are not being programmed to do a damn thing.

In our state as I would guess is the same in most we have one mandatory class required and it has to do with racial equality in traffic encounters which the state and federal gov tracks and audits.

The rest of our training (and trust me I am in the loop) is mostly suggestive or requested by officers. Can you fill us in on our programming so I can be on the same playing field as you?
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Old 01-15-2013, 17:46   #293
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The past decade has been spent militarizing the police and programming them into an "us vs. them" mentality via the "War on Terror" and the "War on Drugs".
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With the Patriot Act, we haven't had civil rights since Bush.

Look at the TSA guys that grab your junk for "safety". Put a gun and a SWAT costume on the same drone, and gee it looks like Germany in the 1930s all over again.

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FWIW: Amazing how the same NY legislature that can NEVER turn in a state budget on time has the gun stuff signed, sealed and delivered in 30 days. This is the crisis "Fast and Furious" was supposed to be, and was blatantly planned long before this "precipitating event".
Our dept has a few guys who believe in "only the cops should have the bigger gun theory" but the majority are not part of the problem. Trust me.. today at the PD the "gun guys" were concerned with the NY law. No gun enthusiast I know wants more restrictions geared towards the good gun owners!
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Old 01-15-2013, 17:49   #294
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Are the lizard people leading this training?

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The past decade has been spent militarizing the police and programming them into an "us vs. them" mentality via the "War on Terror" and the "War on Drugs".

With the Patriot Act, we haven't had civil rights since Bush.

Look at the TSA guys that grab your junk for "safety". Put a gun and a SWAT costume on the same drone, and gee it looks like Germany in the 1930s all over again.

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FWIW: Amazing how the same NY legislature that can NEVER turn in a state budget on time has the gun stuff signed, sealed and delivered in 30 days. This is the crisis "Fast and Furious" was supposed to be, and was blatantly planned long before this "precipitating event".
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So I guess maybe I am not seeing this programming at a municipality level or county level. ...

.... Can you fill us in on our programming so I can be on the same playing field as you?

Great question. But I am not holding my breath...
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Amidst all of Obama's crazy talk, it is nice to know there are 288 members of Congress with an A rating from the NRA. That's over half, people, even though the loudmouth Feinsteins and Schumers get all the publicity from the MSM.
Thanks for the info.

There are likely many more who won't support this attack on liberty.
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Sure ended today for folks in New York, didn't it?
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Sooo,when do they come kick in our doors and take our guns away from us ?
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Old 01-15-2013, 18:29   #299
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Please stand by. Due to technical difficulties, the end-of-panic scheduled for today has been postponed until tomorrow at 12:00 PM Eastern (11:00 AM CST).

Please resume standard panic until then. Thank you.
Sue me, I'm 12 hours late.

That being said, tomorrow you will see the most despicable display ever seen by a President. Using kids as props to stage an all out assault on our liberty is sickening.

I still say he's posturing. The Congress won't follow his agenda.

Folks, we are bearing witness to an unbelievable event in our history.
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Sure ended today for folks in New York, didn't it?
New York is not Alabama.

That dog won't hunt in Dixie.

It also won't hunt in our neighboring States, Texas, and the great States of Montana and Wyoming.
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