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Old 01-12-2013, 22:02   #21
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I think 10 round magazine would be easier to explain in court. I am not sure how easy the 10mm would be to explain. I could be thought of as an aggressor caliber, someone looking for a fight.

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I personally stick to the 38 special 120gr +p. it makes sense to a defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney. If you are going to carry you should thank about both sides of defense.
If you're going to give advice don't spread misinformation. Carrying a smaller caliber doesn't make you a safe person. Quit spreading fear and misinformation.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:14   #22
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Digilo, in Texas if you use your carry gun, you have just committed murder or at least attempted murder. You will have to defend yourself to the legal system.

So many people just think of one side of this issue. I can tell you from personal experience, you should give both sides of carry some thought. When you pull the trigger you are in trouble.

If you think I am tring to scare someone, you are wrong. I am tring to make them think. I have been there and I can tell you it is scary.

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Old 01-13-2013, 09:25   #23
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Digilo, in Texas if you use your carry gun, you have just committed murder or at least attempted murder. You will have to defend yourself to the legal system.

So many people just think of one side of this issue. I can tell you from personal experience, you should give both sides of carry some thought. When you pull the trigger you are in trouble.

If you think I am tring to scare someone, you are wrong. I am tring to make them think. I have been there and I can tell you it is scary.

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I've thought about both sides of the story, 10mm is my choice. Compromising myself for fear of litigation is not something I am willing to do. When people think of both sides they often fast forward to the after where they might be in trouble. You have to survive your encounter before you can worry about being in trouble. There is nothing wrong with a 10mm with standard capacity magazines. Do everything right when you carry, use your tool for defense when deadly force is appropriate and lesser means have failed or can not reasonably be employed. A good shoot is a good shoot regardless of your weapon...same goes for a bad shoot.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:31   #24
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I have two g20s. If I do carry one I have a 10 round magazine for carry. If I can't get out of trouble with 10 + 1 I don't think 16 + 1 would help. I think 10 round magazine would be easier to explain in court. I am not sure how easy the 10mm would be to explain. I could be thought of as an aggressor caliber, someone looking for a fight.

I personally stick to the 38 special 120gr +p. it makes sense to a defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney. If you are going to carry you should thank about both sides of defense.

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I think this makes perfect sense to keep these issues in mind, especially in our imperfect legal system.

My primary reason for owning my glock29 is protection against large animals when I'm hiking in black bear/mountain lion country. But, I intend to keep using the same weapon for sd/hd because I can't afford another weapon, and, more importantly, I want to get used to and be proficient with one gun. The logic behind this I think is clear (to me, as well as many other responsible gun owners here). Not sure if the logic would be as clear to 12 jurors, attorney for the victim, and prosecutor - if it ever comes to that.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:58   #25
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Digilo, in Texas if you use your carry gun, you have just committed murder or at least attempted murder. You will have to defend yourself to the legal system.

So many people just think of one side of this issue. I can tell you from personal experience, you should give both sides of carry some thought. When you pull the trigger you are in trouble.

If you think I am tring to scare someone, you are wrong. I am tring to make them think. I have been there and I can tell you it is scary.

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Murder: The unlawful killing of human being by another person with hostile intent. Notice the word "unlawful". Protecting yourself or your family is not unlawful. Admittedly there will probably be some shyster lawyer trying to make a name for himself.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:03   #26
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I do understand. I am not tring to change anyone's choice. After personally going thru the process I can say that giving some thought to what happens after the shot is very good advice.
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Old 01-13-2013, 14:44   #27
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Costs of ammo, great stopping power, and harder recoil aside, how good of an idea is it to use real (i.e., not underpowered) 10mm for hd/sd? I'm particularly concerned about overpenetration, since I'm in a highly-populated urban area. I think the caliber is great for hiking/hunting type situations, but not sure how I feel about hd/sd. Thanks for advice and thoughts...
In my opinion the 10MM makes an awesome concealed carry/ outdoor protection cartridge. I mostly carry Winchester Silvertips . I have carried Hornady 200 grain JHP as loaded by Double Tap when I feel the need for more penetration.
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Old 01-13-2013, 18:17   #28
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Vandros,

I have carried the 10mm Glock 20 (almost everyday) for many, many years.

Caliber Corner

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Over Penetration with quality JHP's is a Myth !!

Caliber Corner

I carry either 175 gr. Winchester Silvertips or my own 165 gr. Gold Dots loaded with 10.2 gr. of IMR 800-X.




Oh, ya, I am still waiting for Colt to start selling these Delta Elite Rail Guns...

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I have two g20s. If I do carry one I have a 10 round magazine for carry. If I can't get out of trouble with 10 + 1 I don't think 16 + 1 would help. I think 10 round magazine would be easier to explain in court. I am not sure how easy the 10mm would be to explain. I could be thought of as an aggressor caliber, someone looking for a fight.

I personally stick to the 38 special 120gr +p. it makes sense to a defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney. If you are going to carry you should thank about both sides of defense.

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Your an Idiot. Oh, sorry, I forgot to add... In my opinion, your an idiot.

Look, I understand that you think you are trying to help, but frankly you are an example of what is wrong with gun owners today. Stand up for yourself. Your Glock 20 was designed with a Standard Capacity magazine that holds 15 rounds of 10mm ammunition. Why are you using a Reduced Capacity magazine?

"If 10+1 rounds won't do it, then 16+1 won't help...."

Are you a moron? Can you think for yourself? Maybe you are a Liberal Anti-gun TROLL ? No? Ok, then, quit regurgitating liberal talking points.

Saying that, is like some one saying; "My revolver holds six rounds, but I only load two, because if I can't get it done in two rounds then loading all six rounds isn't going to help. Besides it looks more humane to the liberal socialists who are trying to disarm America".


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Way to resurrect an older thread just to call someone and idiot and moron
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:31   #32
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Way to resurrect an older thread just to call someone and idiot and moron
Maybe so, but some things just have to be said. To be honest I didn't even notice the age of the last post.



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Your an Idiot. Oh, sorry, I forgot to add... In my opinion, your an idiot...

And you're a very bad speller.

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Ah, yes. I guess I am. Thank you for pointing that out.


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200 grain hard cast for street and woods. not much difference between a 150 lbs. whitetail and 200+lbs. perp. always watch your back stop.
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:23   #36
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10mm over penetration

When I asked Mas Ayood about my concerns of over penetration of Underwood ammo, he suggested that IF I WAS CONCERNED about it their 135gr Gold Dots would serve very well.
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When I asked Mas Ayood about my concerns of over penetration of Underwood ammo, he suggested that IF I WAS CONCERNED about it their 135gr Gold Dots would serve very well.
I would disagree. Check out "TN Outdoors 9" on YouTube. He has done a great job of testing a wide variety of cartridges over a broad spectrum of calibers.

His testing has shown that in some cases by increasing velocity it actually decreases penetration...


His testing showed only 16 inches of penetration with Underwood's 200 gr. XTP JHP @ 1260 FPS / 705 Ft Lbs of Energy. This is ideal for self defense against 200+ Lbs bad guys.

I would also like to point out that the Speer .40 S&W 180 gr. Gold Dot traveling at 1000 FPS / 400 Ft Lbs of Energy penetrates to just over 13 inches, while the Underwood 10mm 180 gr. Gold Dot traveling at just over 1330 FPS / 706 Ft Lbs of Energy penetrates to just over 17 inches. That is not over penetration in anybody's book, not to mention almost doubling the energy with only slightly more penetration.

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I would disagree. Check out "TN Outdoors 9" on YouTube. He has done a great job of testing a wide variety of cartridges over a broad spectrum of calibers.

His testing has shown that in some cases by increasing velocity it actually decreases penetration...

AMMO TEST: 10mm Underwood 200 gr Hornady XTP JHP - YouTube

His testing showed only 16 inches of penetration with Underwood's 200 gr. XTP JHP @ 1260 FPS / 705 Ft Lbs of Energy. This is ideal for self defense against 200+ Lbs bad guys.

I would also like to point out that the Speer .40 S&W 180 gr. Gold Dot traveling at 1000 FPS / 400 Ft Lbs of Energy penetrates to just over 13 inches, while the Underwood 10mm 180 gr. Gold Dot traveling at just over 1330 FPS / 706 Ft Lbs of Energy penetrates to just over 17 inches. That is not over penetration in anybody's book, not to mention almost doubling the energy with only slightly more penetration.
I elected to go with Underwood 165grn Gold Dots and am happy with accuracy, recoil and function.
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I elected to go with Underwood 165grn Gold Dots and am happy with accuracy, recoil and function.
I like the 165 gr. Gold Dots.


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I'd feel confident with just about any 10mm loading.
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