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Old 01-13-2013, 08:10   #721
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Do not oil the gas system because the oil will 'coke' as it is fired and turn to sludge.

Do buy a quality gun grease like Tetra gun grease, plastilube, or white lithium grease and liberally apply to the operating rod/bolt lug interface and the opposite bolt lug/receiver raceway. Shooting the M1 without lube in these two critical areas can cause jams [ask any Pacific theatre Marine or soldier about this].
I concur. Especially for in a humid environment.

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Old 01-13-2013, 08:14   #722
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When you buy one, I have a couple of recommendations before shooting. Many of these rifles have been in storage for decades. The wood furniture is often dry and can split, chip, crack, or otherwise get damaged. Stop in at a hardware store and buy a quart of boiled linseed oil and some rubber gloves.

Field strip the rifle and pull as much of the metal off as you can without damage. Some ferrules and liners will be impossible to remove without the armory tools and you can cover these metal fixtures up with duct tape if you want to sand down the stock or prevent from having to clean up linseed oil on the metal parts.

With gloves on, take several paper towels and apply linseed oil to them, then rub the oil liberally into the stock. Let dry overnight and repeat cycle as needed until the wood nearly stops soaking up the oil. This can take ten or more applications. Be careful with disposal of used oil soaked towels [especially cloth] as they can spontaneously combust. I used paper towels and soaked them in water after use and prior to disposal. This will replenish the moisture in the wood and is military correct for a finish.

Wear an old shirt the first time you shoot it because some oil may exude out from the stock with the heat from firing.

Tung oil is a nice alternative, but boiled linseed oil is cheaper by volume and can be used on wood products like shovel handles, tool handles, etc.
Speaking of which, what would you think of getting the plastic stock for the M1? I noticed that Brownells carries one for sale.

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Old 01-13-2013, 08:18   #723
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any idea on refurbishing the inside of an old nagant barrel? Couldnt find something yet, I guess an old barrel is just an old barrel
Probably it would depend on how deep the groove work is. If it's real shallow I would suggest getting another barrel, and head spacing equipment.

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Old 01-13-2013, 08:26   #724
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I refinished two Mosins with the Birchwood Casey stock refinishing set. Pretty good stuff with the sandpaper, steel wool, and all the oils and dyes necessary to refinish a stock.

My M44 was a dark color which I didn't know was done by the previous owner. It had some blems and I wanted to clean the gun so I got some brake cleaner and sprayed the gun down to get all the cosmoline out of everywhere. Got all the dark varnish off the stock too and ended up dyeing it a nice medium cherry wood finish with a good grain of the natural stock showing through. I was very proud of myself.
I got my 91/30 from RGuns at a gun show at KCI Expo. They were good to work with, and the gun was in ready to fire condition. The upper most ring came loose while firing it though. I was concerned that the handguard was going to come loose while firing ammo. Then the loading area for ammo seemed to be harder to get ammo into. I may have to look at it and try something a little different later. Maybe open up the magazine and feed from the bottom.

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Yeah, my wife has been asking about that one herself, LOL. Eh, go figure. Next year's will look mighty low in comparison, with the tax cuts having disappeared.

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Speaking of which, what would you think of getting the plastic stock for the M1? I noticed that Brownells carries one for sale.

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I was thinking about getting something like that myself. CMP has range ammo on their E store. It also may be worth looking into.

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I think I'm just going to stick with buying as much of that Greek surplus as I can right now, and reloading later to duplicate the M2 (or as close as I can get to it). I really don't want to turn it into a manually-operated rifle if I don't have to, lol.
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I think I'm just going to stick with buying as much of that Greek surplus as I can right now, and reloading later to duplicate the M2 (or as close as I can get to it). I really don't want to turn it into a manually-operated rifle if I don't have to, lol.
Right on. I was under the impression that it would still operate in SA. There is ammo on CMP's other site that is specifically made for the range. I am guessing it is easier on baffles.

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I think that you should be beaten with a rubber hose for even thinking of such!
I am thinking SHTF scenario.

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Ain't that the truth. Tax the producers to death to give more to the takers.
Marriage is what it is, LOL. We both actually use it.

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Right on. I was under the impression that it would still operate in SA. There is ammo on CMP's other site that is specifically made for the range. I am guessing it is easier on baffles.

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I think it just doesn't attract a magnet like the M2 ball does (even the non-AP); some ranges won't let you shoot it if it attracts a magnet.


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True, but I'd still be okay with the wood even in that scenario. If it's good enough for all it went through in WW2 and Korea, among other places, it's good enough for me.
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Marriage is what it is, LOL. We both actually use it.

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I wasn't referring to the marriage, lol. I was meaning how the wonderfulness of redistribution of wealth is in this country.
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I wasn't referring to the marriage, lol. I was meaning how the wonderfulness of redistribution of wealth is in this country.
Ah. Yeah it's been going on for some time. Now, it'll just get worse.

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I think it just doesn't attract a magnet like the M2 ball does (even the non-AP); some ranges won't let you shoot it if it attracts a magnet.




True, but I'd still be okay with the wood even in that scenario. If it's good enough for all it went through in WW2 and Korea, among other places, it's good enough for me.
The range I go to doesn't allow the magnetic stuff.

The reason for the plastic stock is that it deteriorates at a much slower rate than wood. But, the bad thing is because of it being lighter there would be more recoil.


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The range I go to doesn't allow the magnetic stuff.

The reason for the plastic stock is that it deteriorates at a much slower rate than wood. But, the bad thing is because of it being lighter there would be more recoil.


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I just don't like how it affects the balance on them; it makes them WAYYY too muzzle-heavy for my tastes.
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I don't care for inexpensive plastic or synthetic stocks for the M1/M14 system. The barreled receiver fits into the stock group and is locked in place by the trigger group. The problem comes when the barrel/receiver group does not fit tightly into the stock group and it shifts around. When it shifts during recoil/counter-recoil, the barrel/receiver group never returns to the same resting point as the shot before and accuracy is horrible.

Because there are many different manufacturers of the rifle; Springfield, Winchester, H&R, etc., the stock has to be made large to fit most actions and this magnifies the above problem. To fix this, the rifle then has to be bedded using Acra-glas, Liquid Steel, or a similar product. The next problem comes when the now bedded rifle is field stripped for cleaning and the disassembly process destroys the now tight tolerances.

When I bedded my M1A for service rifle matches, it was to a standard walnut stock, but only after I had done all the work necessary to the rifle. Since doing it in the 90s, the rifle has never been disassembled for cleaning. On a target only rifle, this is perfectly fine.

If you want a synthetic stock, buy from McMillan or a high end manufacturer who watches their tolerances closely and has reinforced recoil shoulders in the stock.
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any idea on refurbishing the inside of an old nagant barrel? Couldnt find something yet, I guess an old barrel is just an old barrel
Can't do it without some very expensive equipment and it's really not worth doing if you are looking to redrill the lands and grooves. Those things are cheap enough to be disposable rifles as is.

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Good stuff to know. I also have an M91/30, but it's still packed in cosmoline as I've never really had the desire to really get it out and clean all the gunk out, and all the ammo I had for it until recently was in a sealed tin that I didn't want to bust open if I didn't have to. I think I'll get to messing with it once it warms up some and clean it up.

Now if I get the Garand, I'll have to get a SMLE of some flavor, a Mauser 98, and an Arisaka of some flavor to round out the collection!
I did that route as well, and wrapped the rifles in black rags and placed them in the summer sun for a few days to get the heat to cook the oils out first before I did my wash.

If you have a steamer, that is the best way to do it, IMHO. I had one but couldn't find it until I was done with my other methods. Guess that just means I have to buy another rifle and use the steamer.

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I think that you should be beaten with a rubber hose for even thinking of such!
Maybe not that extreme... but yeah, some persuasion needs to happen to prevent that. I thought about sporterizing the Mosin as well with that Monte Carlo stock that ATI sells, but then thought better of it because it is what it is and I am not really about to spend more than the rifle is worth by putting on a stock and scope and all the other junk on it. I'm going to shoot it as is and if I need something different, I have my Steyr SSG for that.

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I wasn't referring to the marriage, lol. I was meaning how the wonderfulness of redistribution of wealth is in this country.
Marriage is redistribution of wealth. That's why you need to marry wealthy.
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I did buy the ati stock and put it on. Too bad the rifle doesn't hit shayt
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