GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-12-2013, 16:49   #701
OfficerChris
L.A. fanboy
 
OfficerChris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Schnitzelhausen
Posts: 7,904
Send a message via ICQ to OfficerChris
Quote:
Originally Posted by CJStudent View Post
So yeah, flying is not for me, lol. Panic attacks are no fun, btw. Plus, I rationalized that it's not worth going into debt just for a hobby (or at least a non-gun hobby.... ), and now I might actually be able to have a real vacation for the first time in years that isn't just camping.
Lol what panic attack?

posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
__________________
Pinki: "I don't think you want to get wild OC style"
Personal hero: Lawman800

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
OfficerChris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 16:58   #702
blueiron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,602
Federal 168 grain Match ammo is fine in either M1 or M14[M1A]. WWB 147 grain is too. IMI has some mil-spec stuff that is great accuracy wise. The only mil surplus I avoid is Pakistani [crap QC] and Hirtenberger [some 9mm is SMG and way over pressure]. Every other surplus ammo made by the Germans, the Brits, the South Koreans, the Nationalist Chinese, the Canadians, etc. are good to go.

I haven't tried the Greek ammo and the only complaint I have heard is that there seems to be a bit more carbon residue. Not a DQ issue to me.
blueiron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 17:05   #703
CJStudent
Fenced In
 
CJStudent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 18,087
Send a message via AIM to CJStudent Send a message via Yahoo to CJStudent
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueiron View Post
Federal 168 grain Match ammo is fine in either M1 or M14[M1A]. WWB 147 grain is too. IMI has some mil-spec stuff that is great accuracy wise. The only mil surplus I avoid is Pakistani [crap QC] and Hirtenberger [some 9mm is SMG and way over pressure]. Every other surplus ammo made by the Germans, the Brits, the South Koreans, the Nationalist Chinese, the Canadians, etc. are good to go.

I haven't tried the Greek ammo and the only complaint I have heard is that there seems to be a bit more carbon residue. Not a DQ issue to me.
Thanks! That's a lot of help!
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison

Quote:
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
CJStudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 17:07   #704
CJStudent
Fenced In
 
CJStudent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 18,087
Send a message via AIM to CJStudent Send a message via Yahoo to CJStudent
Found another source for Korean surplus .30-06:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...l-metal-jacket
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison

Quote:
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
CJStudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 17:30   #705
blueiron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,602
Get that M1 and go shooting!
blueiron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 18:04   #706
CJStudent
Fenced In
 
CJStudent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 18,087
Send a message via AIM to CJStudent Send a message via Yahoo to CJStudent
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueiron View Post
Get that M1 and go shooting!
As soon as my tax refund is in!
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison

Quote:
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
CJStudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 18:54   #707
Hack
Gold Membership
Crazy CO
 
Hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Kansas, near the bison.
Posts: 22,974
Send a message via AIM to Hack Send a message via Yahoo to Hack
Quote:
Originally Posted by CJStudent View Post
Okay, thanks. I don't reload (at least not right now; no place for the setup in my apartment), but what should I look for in commercial ammo for it? Any particular markings or loads that are preferred?
My plan is to stick with fmj or sp as close to the milspec as possible for right now. Just about any major brand within those specs should be OK.

Sent from my communicator.
__________________
Arming with truth defeats ignorance. Jesus said, "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"Opinions expressed in this article are those of the author
and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the Federal
Bureau of Prisons or the Department of Justice."
In God we trust, all others we monitor.

Last edited by Hack; 01-12-2013 at 19:21..
Hack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 18:59   #708
CJStudent
Fenced In
 
CJStudent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 18,087
Send a message via AIM to CJStudent Send a message via Yahoo to CJStudent
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack View Post
My plan is to stick with fmj or so as close to the milspec as possible for right now. Just about any major brand within those specs should be OK.

Sent from my communicator.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Let me know how it goes when you get yours!
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison

Quote:
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
CJStudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 19:46   #709
Hack
Gold Membership
Crazy CO
 
Hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Kansas, near the bison.
Posts: 22,974
Send a message via AIM to Hack Send a message via Yahoo to Hack
Quote:
Originally Posted by CJStudent View Post
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Let me know how it goes when you get yours!
If at all feasible I intend to try for one in the next PP.

Sent from my communicator.
__________________
Arming with truth defeats ignorance. Jesus said, "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"Opinions expressed in this article are those of the author
and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the Federal
Bureau of Prisons or the Department of Justice."
In God we trust, all others we monitor.
Hack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 19:53   #710
CJStudent
Fenced In
 
CJStudent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 18,087
Send a message via AIM to CJStudent Send a message via Yahoo to CJStudent
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack View Post
If at all feasible I intend to try for one in the next PP.

Sent from my communicator.
And I'm just waiting on my 2012 W-2 to show on my EPP page so I can get my taxes done!
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison

Quote:
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
CJStudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 20:50   #711
blueiron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,602
I wouldn't rely solely on commercial ammo bullet weights to ensure long term operation. Copper only bullets of a given weight are always longer than jacketed bullets with lead cores. Being longer increases the bullet surface area in contact with the bore and that means more friction and either more powder or a slower burning powder to propel the bullet to standard velocities. This can bend operating rods and they are not cheap to replace.

There are gas plugs one can buy which allow commercial ammo to be fired for hunting and casual shooting. I recommend them. See the last link below for them.

See here for more op rod info: http://www.fulton-armory.com/%5Cfaqs...Qs%5COpRod.htm

www.scott-duff.com/oprods.htm [Noted Garand collector and writer of related books]

www.columbusmachine.com/oprod.htm [Bent, damaged, cracked rods repaired here]

http://www.garandgear.com/component/...your-m1-garand [Great tech article]
blueiron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 21:20   #712
blueiron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,602
When you buy one, I have a couple of recommendations before shooting. Many of these rifles have been in storage for decades. The wood furniture is often dry and can split, chip, crack, or otherwise get damaged. Stop in at a hardware store and buy a quart of boiled linseed oil and some rubber gloves.

Field strip the rifle and pull as much of the metal off as you can without damage. Some ferrules and liners will be impossible to remove without the armory tools and you can cover these metal fixtures up with duct tape if you want to sand down the stock or prevent from having to clean up linseed oil on the metal parts.

With gloves on, take several paper towels and apply linseed oil to them, then rub the oil liberally into the stock. Let dry overnight and repeat cycle as needed until the wood nearly stops soaking up the oil. This can take ten or more applications. Be careful with disposal of used oil soaked towels [especially cloth] as they can spontaneously combust. I used paper towels and soaked them in water after use and prior to disposal. This will replenish the moisture in the wood and is military correct for a finish.

Wear an old shirt the first time you shoot it because some oil may exude out from the stock with the heat from firing.

Tung oil is a nice alternative, but boiled linseed oil is cheaper by volume and can be used on wood products like shovel handles, tool handles, etc.
blueiron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 21:25   #713
blueiron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,602
Do not oil the gas system because the oil will 'coke' as it is fired and turn to sludge.

Do buy a quality gun grease like Tetra gun grease, plastilube, or white lithium grease and liberally apply to the operating rod/bolt lug interface and the opposite bolt lug/receiver raceway. Shooting the M1 without lube in these two critical areas can cause jams [ask any Pacific theatre Marine or soldier about this].
blueiron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 21:32   #714
lawman800
Juris Glocktor
 
lawman800's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Out the frying pan & into the fire!
Posts: 37,984
Blog Entries: 1
I refinished two Mosins with the Birchwood Casey stock refinishing set. Pretty good stuff with the sandpaper, steel wool, and all the oils and dyes necessary to refinish a stock.

My M44 was a dark color which I didn't know was done by the previous owner. It had some blems and I wanted to clean the gun so I got some brake cleaner and sprayed the gun down to get all the cosmoline out of everywhere. Got all the dark varnish off the stock too and ended up dyeing it a nice medium cherry wood finish with a good grain of the natural stock showing through. I was very proud of myself.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueiron:
I've said it before and I'll say it here: they'd look better with lividity.
lawman800 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 21:43   #715
blueiron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,602
Soviet guns are a nightmare to clean out of their cosmoline. It sticks to everything and refuses to budge.

They are great restoration projects to get started in. How was the metalwork?
blueiron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 22:17   #716
lawman800
Juris Glocktor
 
lawman800's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Out the frying pan & into the fire!
Posts: 37,984
Blog Entries: 1
Wasn't too hard to clean. I used brake cleaner on that M44. Used a mineral spirit bath on the M91/30 and Steyr M95. Got all the cosmoline out no problem, just took some washing and scrubbing, but soaking it did a lot of the trick already by just simply dissolving everything. The brake cleaner was like magic, but expensive.

As for the metal work, all looked pretty good and I'm simply amazed that these guns made over a century ago, are still in perfectly good working condition after some clean up and lubrication. Everything felt tight and made all the right noises as I function checked the various parts.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueiron:
I've said it before and I'll say it here: they'd look better with lividity.
lawman800 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 06:04   #717
OfficerChris
L.A. fanboy
 
OfficerChris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Schnitzelhausen
Posts: 7,904
Send a message via ICQ to OfficerChris
any idea on refurbishing the inside of an old nagant barrel? Couldnt find something yet, I guess an old barrel is just an old barrel
__________________
Pinki: "I don't think you want to get wild OC style"
Personal hero: Lawman800

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

Last edited by OfficerChris; 01-13-2013 at 06:04..
OfficerChris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 06:45   #718
CJStudent
Fenced In
 
CJStudent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 18,087
Send a message via AIM to CJStudent Send a message via Yahoo to CJStudent
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueiron View Post
Soviet guns are a nightmare to clean out of their cosmoline. It sticks to everything and refuses to budge.

They are great restoration projects to get started in. How was the metalwork?
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawman800 View Post
Wasn't too hard to clean. I used brake cleaner on that M44. Used a mineral spirit bath on the M91/30 and Steyr M95. Got all the cosmoline out no problem, just took some washing and scrubbing, but soaking it did a lot of the trick already by just simply dissolving everything. The brake cleaner was like magic, but expensive.

As for the metal work, all looked pretty good and I'm simply amazed that these guns made over a century ago, are still in perfectly good working condition after some clean up and lubrication. Everything felt tight and made all the right noises as I function checked the various parts.
Good stuff to know. I also have an M91/30, but it's still packed in cosmoline as I've never really had the desire to really get it out and clean all the gunk out, and all the ammo I had for it until recently was in a sealed tin that I didn't want to bust open if I didn't have to. I think I'll get to messing with it once it warms up some and clean it up.

Now if I get the Garand, I'll have to get a SMLE of some flavor, a Mauser 98, and an Arisaka of some flavor to round out the collection!
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas Edison

Quote:
The first round is a moral decision. All of the following rounds are tactical decisions.
CJStudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:02   #719
Hack
Gold Membership
Crazy CO
 
Hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Kansas, near the bison.
Posts: 22,974
Send a message via AIM to Hack Send a message via Yahoo to Hack
Quote:
Originally Posted by CJStudent View Post
And I'm just waiting on my 2012 W-2 to show on my EPP page so I can get my taxes done!
Yeah, my wife has been asking about that one herself, LOL. Eh, go figure. Next year's will look mighty low in comparison, with the tax cuts having disappeared.

Sent from my communicator.
__________________
Arming with truth defeats ignorance. Jesus said, "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"Opinions expressed in this article are those of the author
and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the Federal
Bureau of Prisons or the Department of Justice."
In God we trust, all others we monitor.
Hack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:07   #720
Hack
Gold Membership
Crazy CO
 
Hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Kansas, near the bison.
Posts: 22,974
Send a message via AIM to Hack Send a message via Yahoo to Hack
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueiron View Post
I wouldn't rely solely on commercial ammo bullet weights to ensure long term operation. Copper only bullets of a given weight are always longer than jacketed bullets with lead cores. Being longer increases the bullet surface area in contact with the bore and that means more friction and either more powder or a slower burning powder to propel the bullet to standard velocities. This can bend operating rods and they are not cheap to replace.

There are gas plugs one can buy which allow commercial ammo to be fired for hunting and casual shooting. I recommend them. See the last link below for them.

See here for more op rod info: http://www.fulton-armory.com/%5Cfaqs...Qs%5COpRod.htm

www.scott-duff.com/oprods.htm [Noted Garand collector and writer of related books]

www.columbusmachine.com/oprod.htm [Bent, damaged, cracked rods repaired here]

http://www.garandgear.com/component/...your-m1-garand [Great tech article]
I was thinking about getting something like that myself. CMP has range ammo on their E store. It also may be worth looking into.

Sent from my communicator.
__________________
Arming with truth defeats ignorance. Jesus said, "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"Opinions expressed in this article are those of the author
and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the Federal
Bureau of Prisons or the Department of Justice."
In God we trust, all others we monitor.

Last edited by Hack; 01-13-2013 at 08:09..
Hack is offline   Reply With Quote

 
  
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 18:57.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,034
294 Members
740 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31