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Old 01-11-2013, 18:39   #151
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Im not sure about what you should do, but I believe 100% that the answer involves fire.
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Old 01-11-2013, 18:44   #152
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But I ask myself... will it be any better anywhere else I go?
No.
The liberal fascists are everywhere.

I've worked in the liberal mothership of Silicon Valley for 28 years, and I've been assaulted by their views and opinions the whole time. They preach acceptance and tolerance, but they only provide that to the social groups they support.

Anymore, I tend to not give my opinion on anything at work and simply do my job.
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Old 01-11-2013, 18:48   #153
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Old 01-11-2013, 19:53   #154
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Are you sure you are not a loudmouth blowhard?

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Old 01-11-2013, 19:59   #155
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Old 01-11-2013, 21:34   #156
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I say chill out a bit and tone it down IF possible. If not, you may face this over and over in almost any corporate, university, or government setting. Be yourself but tone it down a bit and try to blend. No need to change everything or go overboard. Think of it as infiltrating the enemy.

Seriously though, I would never discuss living off the grid, guns, politics, abortion, religion, et.c, with anyone at work except a close friend who works there. I keep my work persona very professional, don't discuss controversial topics, and try to be friendly enough with everyone without taking people into confidence unless they become close friends. It has served me well. I also try to not let my physical presence dominate others who may be more timid or gay or artistic or whatever. Some people are bothered by that. I am cognizant of that and have "softened" my presence and attitude over the last several years. I try to let my ideas and work speak loudly now. I also use the humor angle a lot. In the workplace, THESE are the real assets.
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Old 01-11-2013, 21:52   #157
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Stuff like this is absolutely ridiculous. My father has a program at his company called the 360 where people all around the food chain who work with, for you, above you, etc. review you. My father was reviewed as intimidating by a lot of people and even one man said he felt physically threatened in his presence due to him being yelled at for not doing his job one time. This kind of stuff disgusts me, especially since I've seen my father in a professional setting and he is no where near what was explained. People are so soft these days and love to make problems out of nothing.

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Old 01-11-2013, 22:01   #158
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I'm just average size, but I get the same thing. It is actually stressful for me to try to be "nice enough" for other people. It makes me tired.
I work for myself now.
I offer a good service. If they can't handle a normal human male, **** 'em.

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So Monday I had a meeting with my boss (we have one every week or two to touch base and see where projects are going and what's coming up and so forth) and I get the normal "you're doing a great job!", "I am pleased with the data accuracy..." and so forth. Great! I am doing above and beyond and holding high standards for my job.

Then I get this bomb dropped on me... "There have been some complaints that you are intimidating people by your presence."

What did you just say boss? It appears that I am too masculine for where I work and that because I carry myself with confidence (I am not a small man, nor excessively large, 6'3" @ 215lbs) people are intimidated by me. I am polite and cordial when speaking to people. But apparently because I walk with my head up high, I look people in the eye when I speak to them and I speak with confidence and a deep solid resonating voice (what my woman tells me) I am intimidating and I have to "tone it down".

I had a very difficult time keeping my cool at this point of the conversation. But I made my point clear, I was raised in a Marine family with Marine discipline and pride. I was raised to be proud of who and what I am and to be confident in my abilities in life. I was raised to speak with pride and to be heard clearly and to not be ashamed of my ability to speak clearly. I then served 14 years before being medically separated, in the Navy and further solidified my confidence and pride.

I will not change who I am just because someone wets their pants at my presence. I was clear that this was out of line and that if this came up again I would pursue legal action. My boss pretty much agrees with me, but he has to tell me what's going on. Anyhow the conversation continued and apparently they have wimpification classes... and I have been signed up for a couple. I am not happy about it at all.

Yes, I still have my job. My superiors all know who I am and know I am a good man with solid conviction and I get the job done, on time and correct. But with this new bit of info I will be stepping up my search for a new job. But I ask myself... will it be any better anywhere else I go?
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Old 01-11-2013, 22:58   #159
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This might help you tone it down some at work

http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/ive-se...210500977.html
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Old 01-11-2013, 23:09   #160
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http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/ive-se...210500977.html
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Old 01-11-2013, 23:43   #161
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had an issue similar to this when I switched police departments from a large city with high crime to a small city with generally nonexistent crime. I was told I needed to be friendlier towards the residents, less abrasive when dealing with subjects, etc. I'm not a small guy, I do have an imposing presence, as I've been told before. I had a similar upbringing with a very strict Army vet father who did not take any crap. What they are asking of you is to change who you are. I'd keep interactions at work strictly business. Not much else you can do. Or you could enter a career in police work or the fire service where that type of persona is needed and appreciated.
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Old 01-12-2013, 00:37   #162
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:07   #163
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I talk about living off grid openly but I keep the subject matter focused on the pros and cons of the actual process. As for politics and guns, I keep it limited to a very small group of folks that have the same views I do and always behind closed doors. I know I am surrounded by liberals so I tend to keep certain things quiet just to avoid silly conflict.

I do however, wear with pride a ball cap that states Desert Storm Veteran. I asked if my attire was the problem but was told no.
Well if you go on about being a prepper....
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:47   #164
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I had the same problem and it was getting out of hand. People hiding and talking, leaving when I would walk up. After much thought and advice from a good co worker I started wearing clothes again and it seemed to solve the problem.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:49   #165
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Times have changed. People are up in arms that there is no "male friendly" easy-bake oven made in blue. They say it is "sexist" that it is only marketed to girls!
The county (Travis) where I live in Texas only approves of men's jeans with the zipper in the back. The "feminizatin" of males makes me sick. I guess I am lucky though. I am 68 yrs. old and retired so I can just go to the range and enjoy myself without having to deal with co-workers and assorted pansies. You younger guys are facing a real dilemma.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:35   #166
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Call HR and complain that you've been harassed. You're protected under the Veterans status, so get it on record now about your fellow employees discriminating against you. Two can play at that game.
It seems everyone is protected in one way or the other these days.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:16   #167
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Excellent! I didn't even think of that. But I suppose that's because I don't go running to "mommy" every time I think someone is doing me "wrong". I'll take you suggestion and run with it.
Just an fyi:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jmaureen...ourt-says-yes/

hope all turns out well.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:51   #168
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I don't run to mommy either, but I was taught by my drill sergeants that in order to defeat your enemies, you have to be ready to better them at their games.
X2, I weep for what my Country is becoming. Hell at my job someone quipped at breakfast that the assembled group owned over 100 firearms (and that was probably on the low side

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Old 01-12-2013, 08:01   #169
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This might help you tone it down some at work

http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/ive-se...210500977.html
What the f..........?!?!? I guess it's been a while since I went to the mall!
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:01   #170
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You're not necessarily being criticized for masculinity. There are basic social skills required to succeed in the average workplace. When I was first starting out (which was long ago) I was forever plagued by (I thought) the weak, timid, or wastoids complaining that I hurt their feelings/talked mean to them/didn't like them/intimidated them. I was amazed at how many thin skinned people I was forced to deal with. As I got older, I realized that it was my style of discourse, not weakness on the complainants part, that was the problem. That in the modern world, I could be tough and, when called for, intimidating, but still be refined in my posture, discourse, and expressions. I did not believe it when supervisors or others told me. I later figured it out on my own. I simply cannot behave in the same way with the public or with non-sworn folks as I could or can with military or LE when the public isn't around.
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So Monday I had a meeting with my boss (we have one every week or two to touch base and see where projects are going and what's coming up and so forth) and I get the normal "you're doing a great job!", "I am pleased with the data accuracy..." and so forth. Great! I am doing above and beyond and holding high standards for my job.

Then I get this bomb dropped on me... "There have been some complaints that you are intimidating people by your presence."

What did you just say boss? It appears that I am too masculine for where I work and that because I carry myself with confidence (I am not a small man, nor excessively large, 6'3" @ 215lbs) people are intimidated by me. I am polite and cordial when speaking to people. But apparently because I walk with my head up high, I look people in the eye when I speak to them and I speak with confidence and a deep solid resonating voice (what my woman tells me) I am intimidating and I have to "tone it down".

I had a very difficult time keeping my cool at this point of the conversation. But I made my point clear, I was raised in a Marine family with Marine discipline and pride. I was raised to be proud of who and what I am and to be confident in my abilities in life. I was raised to speak with pride and to be heard clearly and to not be ashamed of my ability to speak clearly. I then served 14 years before being medically separated, in the Navy and further solidified my confidence and pride.

I will not change who I am just because someone wets their pants at my presence. I was clear that this was out of line and that if this came up again I would pursue legal action. My boss pretty much agrees with me, but he has to tell me what's going on. Anyhow the conversation continued and apparently they have wimpification classes... and I have been signed up for a couple. I am not happy about it at all.

Yes, I still have my job. My superiors all know who I am and know I am a good man with solid conviction and I get the job done, on time and correct. But with this new bit of info I will be stepping up my search for a new job. But I ask myself... will it be any better anywhere else I go?
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:28   #171
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Why is it that today people worship the masculine black guy, but are scared to death of the masculine white guy?
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Why is it that today people worship the masculine black guy, but are scared to death of the masculine white guy?
You're only scratching the surface. (case in point: there is an episode of House, wherein a black actor (a surgeon) takes a syringe, stabs it into a white female actress (a doctor), and then injects her with what is thought, at that point in the episode, to be a lethal substance without a known cure. When I saw the episode for the first time, I thought the writers were giving the black actor a viable exit so as to let him do movies or something. Yet he came back and remained on the show until it was cancelled. Needless to say, very telling to what the writers were actually up to as it played out that "the angry black man" was allowed to get away with attempted murder due to his frustrations of being part of an "oppressed race.")

Simply put, the globalists will use every avenue, including hollyweird, so as to pit one race against another race, which helps keep the focus off of we Americans' real enemies. Stuff like this will eventually make sheeple more susceptible to the ultimate false synthesis being promoted by the globalists.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:04   #173
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I hope you don't take this the wrong way, since I'm trying to help, but once you acquire this level of non-threatening posture toward timid people, you'll look back in hindsight and realize it's kind of like the way Hugh Hefner isn't afraid to wear a pink shirt. It won't make you any less of a confident Marine/man. It will make you more of a man. (not the pink shirt, but the attitude)

Sheep tend to develop great love and respect for those large men who could easily kick almost anyone's ass, yet display a personality that would never want to frighten anyone who isn't asking/needing to be frightened. You can easily do this while at the same time making it obvious to everyone that if push came to shove, you would not hesitate to be as aggressive as the situation required if confronted by someone who really needs to be intimidated for defensive reasons.
I fully understand what you are saying and you have nailed it. I'm a LEO and see all kinds of officers. It's hard to do, you maintain strong respect from the citizens, but on the other hand, be polite, courtesous, and well liked. Not many can do that.

Of course, a lot is with you deal with. I have a supervisor that early in his career, dealt with marines in every situation you can imagine. Polite and nice was out the door. Some of the language he used was atrocious but par for the course where he was stationed.

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Old 01-12-2013, 09:08   #174
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Well, you do come off as rather arrogant and snobby. You seem to be a hot head too. That thread when you blew up because your own wife asked for some help, left me shaking my head for days. Even your avatar shows it.

Maybe you should see someone about it.
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I had the same problem and it was getting out of hand. People hiding and talking, leaving when I would walk up. After much thought and advice from a good co worker I started wearing clothes again and it seemed to solve the problem.
That makes sense to me.
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