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Old 01-10-2013, 11:27   #26
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What reloading machine do you have? I have a Dillion 550B.
XL 650. IF, I get the dies, I will get an entire tool head (that would be #6 ).

I actually just got back from the range. Needed to sight in the model 29. Did the sight in with factory .44 magnums. I have only one box of .44 special (marked $14.99, so I wonder how long that's been lying around). I decided to try 12 rounds of the special, it felt like it didn't even go off after the magnums!

Even with the light load, I didn't find the gun as nice shooting as my 586.
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XL 650. IF, I get the dies, I will get an entire tool head (that would be #6 ).

I actually just got back from the range. Needed to sight in the model 29. Did the sight in with factory .44 magnums. I have only one box of .44 special (marked $14.99, so I wonder how long that's been lying around). I decided to try 12 rounds of the special, it felt like it didn't even go off after the magnums!

Even with the light load, I didn't find the gun as nice shooting as my 586.
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No .44 Special, but can find .44 Magnum. I have a 29, so I am not without ammo. At this point, I think I'm going to order some dies and start rolling my own.
If I only owned one gun & it was a 44mag, I would reload for it. Cost of 44mag ammo is outragious & you are pretty much stuck w/ full power ammo. Not needed for punching paper & hard on guns. You also don't need an expensive progressive to effectively feed a 44mag. Loading 100rds a week is easily/cheaply done on a ss press or turret. Few will shoot more than 100rds a week in 44mag, even reduced loads. With lead bullets, you are shooting 44mags for about $6/box of 50. There is nothing a jacketed bullet brings to the party w/ the 44mag, lead bullets rule in big bores.
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If I only owned one gun & it was a 44mag, I would reload for it. Cost of 44mag ammo is outragious
agreed.

"If I only had one gun..." I am coming around to that idea. I am very nostalgic for .357, but the .44spl/mag is just so much fun and versatile! The only difficulty I have is concealing a N frame. Winter ok, but summer?

But, can you really reload in an apartment? I have all the equipment, except the dyes, cases and powder. Is it wise to reload in an apartment setting? Anyone?
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If I only owned one gun & it was a 44mag, I would reload for it. Cost of 44mag ammo is outragious & you are pretty much stuck w/ full power ammo. Not needed for punching paper & hard on guns. You also don't need an expensive progressive to effectively feed a 44mag. Loading 100rds a week is easily/cheaply done on a ss press or turret. Few will shoot more than 100rds a week in 44mag, even reduced loads. With lead bullets, you are shooting 44mags for about $6/box of 50. There is nothing a jacketed bullet brings to the party w/ the 44mag, lead bullets rule in big bores.
Since I already own an XL650, I can't see using a single stage press at this point (even though I have one).

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agreed.

"If I only had one gun..." I am coming around to that idea. I am very nostalgic for .357, but the .44spl/mag is just so much fun and versatile! The only difficulty I have is concealing a N frame. Winter ok, but summer?

But, can you really reload in an apartment? I have all the equipment, except the dyes, cases and powder. Is it wise to reload in an apartment setting? Anyone?
I did. I lived in an apartment for 3 years. I had an old coffee table in the back of the living room, that was pretty robust. During everyday life, the coffee table was covered with a nice table cloth. When I needed to reload, the cover came off and a RCBS Rock Chucker attached to it with some bolts and wing nuts (the press and supplies were stored on the shelves under the table). It's doable if you're creative.
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agreed.

"If I only had one gun..." I am coming around to that idea. I am very nostalgic for .357, but the .44spl/mag is just so much fun and versatile! The only difficulty I have is concealing a N frame. Winter ok, but summer?

But, can you really reload in an apartment? I have all the equipment, except the dyes, cases and powder. Is it wise to reload in an apartment setting? Anyone?
I have reloaded in every apt I lived in. You don't need much room. I set up in a 24x36 coat closet in college. Built a bench & shelves in it & put a lock on the door. You can do quite well w/ a folding workmate & clamp the press to it. Powder & primers are safer than cleaning fluids.
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Since I already own an XL650, I can't see using a single stage press at this point (even though I have one).

It's doable if you're creative.
I load on a 550 & 650, but still use my ss press a lot. If I want to put together 50rds of 44mag, I don't tear down my 550 for that, just use the ss press. My point was if it was the only gun I had, it would be worth buiying a ss kit to reload for it. Factory 44mags are quite expensive. Most 44mag shooters don't shoot them more than 100rds a week. You do NOT need a progressive for that volume.
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I did. I lived in an apartment for 3 years. I had an old coffee table in the back of the living room, that was pretty robust. During everyday life, the coffee table was covered with a nice table cloth. When I needed to reload, the cover came off and a RCBS Rock Chucker attached to it with some bolts and wing nuts (the press and supplies were stored on the shelves under the table). It's doable if you're creative.
My first press was the Rockchucker! owned a couple proggressives since then, but they are a pain in the but! efficient yes, but I don't shoot any one caliber enough. Now I only have the Rockchucker. Started in a 1 bed Apt. I modified the Coffe table in the living room then too, reinforced underneath with a 2x4, Slid my supplies under the couch. Simply tossed a table cloth over when press removed. Wife not too thrilled, until I got her a Kitten! The ROCKCHUCKER is one hell of a press! Get your system/procedure going, and its plenty fast enough. I know of no other press as strong, reliable, easy to use, and capable of producing the finest, most accurate ammunition. I don't have that wife anymore, but i still have that RCBS press, and the Cat!
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For almost 50 years I have been shooting the big bores.... Although the 44mag in a 3"/4" is the best choice, The 44special works fine if you reload. I kill elk with the 4 5/8" Ruger Vaquero in 44special. I can load a 300gr bullet in the 44sp, and have all the penetration I need. I EDC "when in a town" a 45acp M1911. The 44sp will out do it properly loaded.

I have shot tens of thosands of rounds and that is a real low figure through 44mag/special and 45LC/ 357mag, for half a century.

I am NOT one bit concerned about the effectiveness of the 44sp. Factory loads stink. Hand loads are where you will get the horse power you need/want.

We do a very great deal of real loooooong range shooting on the ranch here, out to 600 yds. The 44special holds its own with about anything else, "again," prpoperly loaded.

If I can take elk with it, I can sure put a man down with it !


Got no jumping off place here, and don't post much on GT any more, but this caught my eye. I just say from almost 50 years "experience", the 44special is a really great round capable of taking men and very large game "loaded properly."


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Old 01-10-2013, 21:56   #39
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If you're going to get into 44spcl., the CCI Blazer Aluminum 200 gr. GD's are the best deal going in commercial ammo. You need to reload much more so than with, say 10mm.

696's cost an easy grand. 396's cost an easy grand. I had a CA Bulldog and if I had kept shooting it, it would have exploded. I guess not a shoot a lot type of thing anyway. I like to shoot and carry my guns. If you want to buy a box of ammo, see where the sights need to be aligned at a few distances, the Bulldog will be the easiest to carry.
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...Most 44mag shooters don't shoot them more than 100rds a week...

A week? I'd venture most don't shoot 50 rds. in a year!! They lug it out for deer season, check POA with a cylinderful of rds. & hit the brush!

I reload for .44 Special but after years of tinkering around I've become lazy and now only use the Skeeter Skelton load in my Ruger. I do not use that load however in my Model 696 "no dash" as it's a little too warm for that rare jewel.

I will add that I have a CA Bulldog and in its chambers lie five Corbon 200 gr. DPX SCHP's that are impressive. I haven't shot anything with these bullets, but every test I've seen shows storybook performance in short barrels.

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...ms=.44,special

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...ms=.44,special

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A week? I'd venture most don't shoot 50 rds. in a year!! They lug it out for deer season, check POA with a cylinderful of rds. & hit the brush!

I reload for .44 Special but after years of tinkering around I've become lazy and now only use the Skeeter Skelton load in my Ruger. I do not use that load however in my Model 696 "no dash" as it's a little too warm for that rare jewel.

I will add that I have a CA Bulldog and in its chambers lie five Corbon 200 gr. DPX SCHP's that are impressive. I haven't shot anything with these bullets, but every test I've seen shows storybook performance in short barrels.

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...ms=.44,special

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...ms=.44,special

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...ms=.44,special

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...44,special,dpx
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I have a nice S&W 21-4 Thunder Ranch .44 Special. It is one of the best handling handguns I've ever owned. The standard 246 gr. lead load is very useful for target shooting, etc. The Blazer aluminum case 200gr Gold Dot load is simply excellent.

As to availability, it varies. Any well stocked gun shop will have the round on the shelf. Yesterday I went to a fairly local (30 mile trip) gun shop. They had just about any type of ammunition one might want. They had several varieties of .44 Special. You just have to look and buy it when you see it.
I finally gave in and picked up a non TR Model 21-4 to augment my CA Bulldog and I do not regret either choice. I hesitated for a bit because of the IL, but I don't even notice it and it's become a non issue. Both are a pleasure to shoot. As far as ammo, I'm contemplating becoming a reloader, but I'm not there yet. WHEN I get started, GT is the first place I'll look for guidance.
Thanks to the wonders of the internet, locating ammo really isn't an issue. Mastercast Bullet Company was my primary source of reloads, but they no longer offer loaded ammo for sale. I've had good experiences with Georgia Arms, Underwood Ammo and PBR Ammo Companies for both practice and carry loads. Check Ammo Seek for current prices on the more popular commercial ammo to include Federal, Speer / Blazer Got Dot, Buffalo Bore, Corbon, Winchester, etc. CTD carries a BVAC 240 gr JHP load, which I haven't tried as of yet. With that being said, I wouldn't feel under gunned carrying a 240gr LSWC for self defense. Experiment with the load that works best in YOUR weapon system and utilize that. There is a TON of experience here on GT and the members are always willing to pass along some good advice....
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Ajon412,

A NJ refugee here. Contact your state reps now over this steaming hot mess: http://www.guns.com/2013/01/10/new-j...gun-purchases/

Where is west new york, nj anyway? A mental health exam AND on-site home inspection?!? Wha da. My heart goes out to all y'all in NJ. I have resolved to only cross the border of NJ for a funeral... which is a shame really. There some really great things to see and do in NJ.
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A week? I'd venture most don't shoot 50 rds. in a year!! They lug it out for deer season, check POA with a cylinderful of rds. & hit the brush!

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...44,special,dpx
Very true. I used to shoot my 44mags a lot, like 100rds of full power ammo a week. Enough to mess up the forcing cone in my first RSBH ashooting jacketed. Now I shoot maybe 50rds a month, mostly midrange stuff, all lead. I enjoy the M29 in any flavor but really like the 4" guns. If I could only have one handgun, it would be a 4" M29. Mild to wild, mice to moose, concealable & with good 250grLSWCHP @ 925fps, a definitive man stopper.
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A NJ refugee here. Contact your state reps now over this steaming hot mess: http://www.guns.com/2013/01/10/new-j...gun-purchases/

Where is west new york, nj anyway? A mental health exam AND on-site home inspection?!? Wha da. My heart goes out to all y'all in NJ. I have resolved to only cross the border of NJ for a funeral... which is a shame really. There some really great things to see and do in NJ.
http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8...&ved=0CIgBELYD

W. NY is in Hudson County (Northern NJ) and borders the Hudson River across from NYC. Yea, I saw this the other day.....Typical lib....As is stands now, a Consent for Mental Health Records Search is part of the process when you apply for a Permit to Purchase,(6-8 weeks, if you're lucky) here in PRNJ. Seems she wants us to undergo an additional psych background and / or testing.....Next, they'll be asking for blood and urine samples......I'm not sure if this legislation is going anywhere, but ya never know...
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I have reloaded in every apt I lived in. You don't need much room. I set up in a 24x36 coat closet in college. Built a bench & shelves in it & put a lock on the door. You can do quite well w/ a folding workmate & clamp the press to it. Powder & primers are safer than cleaning fluids.
You got that right, sir. I have been reloading in APTs since 1980.
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Cool to reload in an apt. Awesome! Once again Thanks!

I guess now was not the best time to get into reloading. The equipment is easy, it's the components that are a little more scarce.

Has anyone used H110 in .44spl? Have not found a recipe and not sure it's worth playing with.
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Cool to reload in an apt. Awesome! Once again Thanks!

I guess now was not the best time to get into reloading. The equipment is easy, it's the components that are a little more scarce.

Has anyone used H110 in .44spl? Have not found a recipe and not sure it's worth playing with.
H110 / 296 has a really narrow window it operates well in... that being full power magnum loads. I've heard it described here as a "dragster" powder - throttle is open or it's closed, nothing in between. Normally, start data for H110 is about 1 grain off from max. Not much room to work IMHO. I tend to give up 50-100 or so fps off the top end in magnums using 2400, but I get a lot more flexibility.

Anyway, back to .44 special - you'll have a hard time finding something that performs as well as Unique, particularly with cast loads.
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H110 / 296 has a really narrow window it operates well in... that being full power magnum loads. I've heard it described here as a "dragster" powder - throttle is open or it's closed, nothing in between. Normally, start data for H110 is about 1 grain off from max. Not much room to work IMHO. I tend to give up 50-100 or so fps off the top end in magnums using 2400, but I get a lot more flexibility.

Anyway, back to .44 special - you'll have a hard time finding something that performs as well as Unique, particularly with cast loads.
Unique IS a good powder for .44 SPL.
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