[bamacisa]

Originally Posted by Restless28

Mighty impressive that Clemson and Louisville took down 2 of the SEC powers.

I have a feeling that Notre Dame may do the same.

[rolltide_pisco]

Ordered me and my stepbrother National Champions t-shirts last night. Add them to my collection in my closet.

I won't take anything away from Notre Dame they had a great season. They weren't ready for the big stage. I studied the game leading up and couldn't make myself believe it was gonna be close. I knew if we could run the football it would be over.

I'm humble about this. It is surreal to think about how dominant we've been. 2007 seems like a long time ago. The one thing that sucks is that the season is over. I guess we look forward to National Signing Day next month and spring practice. Pretty obvious Bama will be preseason #1. My guess will be

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas A&M
5. Florida State

ROLL TIDE!

[czsmithGT]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Much like Ohio State, it should be many years before the polls allow Notre Dame to face an SEC team in the title game again.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ning/index.htm

It is true that it's difficult to compete against a conference with abysmal academic requirements (Barrett Jones is much the exception) which over signs and gray-shirts athletes who could not have a chance to graduate.

The fact that SEC teams refuse (Alabama is a modest exception) to schedule any difficult non-conference games is interesting.

ND does not over sign, they don't gray-shirt and they don't even red shirt in the sense that all other NCAA Div 1 schools carry out that practice- a FB player at ND must have attained his undergraduate degree and apply for an extra year while taking graduate studies even if he did not compete as a Frosh.

This isn't sour grapes but merely an acknowledgement of the way things are in NCAA football today. I'm not sure if this will remain the case five years from now. But regardless, I am proud of what ND was able to accomplish this year and am looking forward to their football future which is again ascending. They played poorly against Alabama, the coaches had a poor game plan, and ever if those were not the cases Alabama would have won easily. Next year, and the year after things may be different if ND continues to improve. All of life is a cycle of ups and downs and ND football is trending upward.

[Freighttrain]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

The fact that SEC teams refuse (Alabama is a modest exception) to schedule any difficult non-conference games is interesting.

That's cause their ain't none! No one can hang with the SEC!

[SC Tiger]

I wonder how many SEC teams will be celebrating "vicarious national championships" today?

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ning/index.htm

It is true that it's difficult to compete against a conference with abysmal academic requirements (Barrett Jones is much the exception) which over signs and gray-shirts athletes who could not have a chance to graduate.

The fact that SEC teams refuse (Alabama is a modest exception) to schedule any difficult non-conference games is interesting.

ND does not over sign, they don't gray-shirt and they don't even red shirt in the sense that all other NCAA Div 1 schools carry out that practice- a FB player at ND must have attained his undergraduate degree and apply for an extra year while taking graduate studies even if he did not compete as a Frosh.

This isn't sour grapes but merely an acknowledgement of the way things are in NCAA football today. I'm not sure if this will remain the case five years from now. But regardless, I am proud of what ND was able to accomplish this year and am looking forward to their football future which is again ascending. They played poorly against Alabama, the coaches had a poor game plan, and ever if those were not the cases Alabama would have won easily. Next year, and the year after things may be different if ND continues to improve. All of life is a cycle of ups and downs and ND football is trending upward.

Look I was pulling for the Irish but they obviously had no business in that game.

[redbaron007]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ning/index.htm

It is true that it's difficult to compete against a conference with abysmal academic requirements (Barrett Jones is much the exception) which over signs and gray-shirts athletes who could not have a chance to graduate.

The fact that SEC teams refuse (Alabama is a modest exception) to schedule any difficult non-conference games is interesting.

ND does not over sign, they don't gray-shirt and they don't even red shirt in the sense that all other NCAA Div 1 schools carry out that practice- a FB player at ND must have attained his undergraduate degree and apply for an extra year while taking graduate studies even if he did not compete as a Frosh.

This isn't sour grapes but merely an acknowledgement of the way things are in NCAA football today. I'm not sure if this will remain the case five years from now. But regardless, I am proud of what ND was able to accomplish this year and am looking forward to their football future which is again ascending. They played poorly against Alabama, the coaches had a poor game plan, and ever if those were not the cases Alabama would have won easily. Next year, and the year after things may be different if ND continues to improve. All of life is a cycle of ups and downs and ND football is trending upward.

OMG!!

Your program lost....Admit it. Trying to make this comparison is OLD. The big 12 and Big 10 folks have tried to make that claim as a reason for their failure in the big games too. Get over it. It's a straw-man argument.



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[bushhogg]

Originally Posted by bushhogg

yrp, Im going to man cave... Going to clean some clean toys, it will be better than this game... BCS REALLY

yep SEC WHY WAS ND EVEN NO.ONE BCS WAY TO GO BAMA>>>>FROM A GA. BULLDOGS FAN

[Restless28]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Look I was pulling for the Irish but they obviously had no business in that game.

Ditto. And as far as academics, LSU does pretty damn good in that regard, and they are a kick ass SEC team.

As far as non conference opponents, Alabama played Michigan this season, Auburn played Clemson, LSU played Oregon, etc.

Also, the in conference competition is better than out of conference competition. See PITT vs ND and PITT vs Ole Miss.

Face it, the SEC is back on top again. I'm not a Bammer, but I know where the best football program in America lives.

[GlockRik]

Academic Ratings

notre dame at #5, Bama is 2 spots below at #7. 2 SEC teams in the top 10 and 6 in the top 20.

[relayman]

I'll bet Lou Holtz is on suicide watch .

[RedTop]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Look I was pulling for the Irish but they obviously had no business in that game.

I always support my Southern brethren, even if it pains me to do so.

[czsmithGT]

Originally Posted by GlockRik

Academic Ratings

notre dame at #5, Bama is 2 spots below at #7. 2 SEC teams in the top 10 and 6 in the top 20.

They have an odd way of determining success.

If a school does horribly at graduating all male students but somewhat less horribly in graduating football players, they rank highly. So Boise State (which graduates 26% of all male students but 60% of their football players) and Northern Illinois (51% and 66%) appear to be better than ND (96% and 83%). Kind of a joke.

The way they determine graduation rates for athletes is also different from the NCAA Graduation Success Rate. Their calculations assume any athlete who leaves school to transfer or turn pro before he gets a degree counts against % graduation whereas the NCAA figures don't count this against a school unless the athlete leaves in bad academic standing.

[jdavionic]

There's losing with dignity and then there's....

[rgregoryb]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ning/index.htm



The fact that SEC teams refuse (Alabama is a modest exception) to schedule any difficult non-conference games is interesting.

who the hell would that be?

[F14Scott]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

They have an odd way of determining success.

If a school does horribly at graduating all male students but somewhat less horribly in graduating football players, they rank highly. So Boise State (which graduates 26% of all male students but 60% of their football players) and Northern Illinois (51% and 66%) appear to be better than ND (96% and 83%). Kind of a joke.

The way they determine graduation rates for athletes is also different from the NCAA Graduation Success Rate. Their calculations assume any athlete who leaves school to transfer or turn pro before he gets a degree counts against % graduation whereas the NCAA figures don't count this against a school unless the athlete leaves in bad academic standing.

It's funny. I was watching the game closely, and even paused and rewound a bunch of times, but I didn't see any of the players cracking open their textbooks in Miami.

Oh, wait. That's right. It was a football game and the Irish lost.

Post hoc discussions about various other positive aspects of the schools and/or their programs are non sequiturs. BTW, Bama's got better bar-b-que and prettier girls.

[czsmithGT]

Originally Posted by redbaron007

Your program lost....Admit it.

Well here is what I wrote in the post you quoted.

"They played poorly against Alabama, the coaches had a poor game plan, and ever if those were not the cases Alabama would have won easily."

So what do you want me to do, slit my wrists and kiss your *** in the middle of main street?

[czsmithGT]

Originally Posted by F14Scott

Post hoc discussions about various other positive aspects of the schools and/or their programs are non sequiturs. BTW, Bama's got better bar-b-que and prettier girls.

OK Mr. Moderator, next time I'll get clearance from you before I make a response to someone's post in a GT thread since you seem to take such offense LOL.

[redbaron007]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

Well here is what I wrote in the post you quoted.

"They played poorly against Alabama, the coaches had a poor game plan, and ever if those were not the cases Alabama would have won easily."

So what do you want me to do, slit my wrists and kiss your *** in the middle of main street?

uhhhhmmmm......???? Never thought of that, but.........now that you mention it.......

You attempted to salvage any dignity from the beating ND received by trying to compare academics, is hilarious!!!



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[GlockRik]

Alabama's graduation rate is approx. 77%, very respectable in college football, but certainly not a match to ND in the high 90's.

Alabama would no doubt be the underdog in a spelling bee, but football ain't a spelling bee.

Before the game it was all about ND front seven, red zone defense, impossible to run on, QB as good as Johnny Football. After the game it's suddenly all about academics, gray shirts and cheating.

ND fired their last 3 coaches, not because of graduation rates, but because they didn't win enough games. Same as everyone else does.

[bamarammin87]

Told y'all the SEC would again.

[certifiedfunds]

A successful football program funds all sorts of needs and luxuries at a university.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by GlockRik

Alabama's graduation rate is approx. 77%, very respectable in college football, but certainly not a match to ND in the high 90's.

Alabama would no doubt be the underdog in a spelling bee, but football ain't a spelling bee.

Before the game it was all about ND front seven, red zone defense, impossible to run on, QB as good as Johnny Football. After the game it's suddenly all about academics, gray shirts and cheating.

ND fired their last 3 coaches, not because of graduation rates, but because they didn't win enough games. Same as everyone else does.

Excellent points

[czsmithGT]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

A successful football program funds all sorts of needs and luxuries at a university.

University of Texas Football Program
2009
Total Revenue: $93,942,815
Total Profit: $68,830,484

[Hines57]

I keep forgetting, how many undefeated teams were there again?