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Old 12-27-2012, 13:47   #26
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The ban would turn all handguns into nfa weapons thus making them illegal to carry.
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Old 12-27-2012, 13:58   #27
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Beware the government's ability to change existing federal regulations. They do not need to make new laws - they can easily amend BATF regs. I personally wrote changes to federal procurement regulations.
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Old 12-27-2012, 13:58   #28
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I hope everyone predicting no new AWB is right. I am not as optimistic. I read a lot of post on her in Oct & Nov about how Romeny was going to win as well...all with these great little facts and reasons why.....

I think we might escape on this year but 2014 maybe not so much.......
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Old 12-27-2012, 16:10   #29
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How to prevent school shootings

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Old 12-27-2012, 16:28   #30
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However unlikely you think it is, we must treat it as if it is a great threat. Our response to this proposal should be very clear and very loud.
Agreed! We cannot get caught with our pants down!
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Old 12-27-2012, 16:55   #31
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Gentlemen, this was posted in another thread, but http://1389blog.com/2012/12/23/larry...e-and-for-all/

Give that a read over, I think you'll feel better. I was, and it makes me realize that there are a lot of us in America that feel the same way.
Great article written by that guy. I completely agree with his points.
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Old 12-27-2012, 17:15   #32
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Gentlemen, this was posted in another thread, but http://1389blog.com/2012/12/23/larry...e-and-for-all/

Give that a read over, I think you'll feel better. I was, and it makes me realize that there are a lot of us in America that feel the same way.
Excellent article! Thanks for sharing, Serpent.
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Old 12-27-2012, 17:25   #33
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Old 12-27-2012, 20:09   #34
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I always wondered how much political influence firearm manufacturers actually have. I mean, it's still a multi-billion dollar industry with lots of employees all over the nation. Not to mention all the gun stores which would be in deep trouble if such a new ban would pass, as well as firearms and firearm accessories manufacturers.

Makes me wonder if some of the bigger firearm manufacturers created/create some kind of alliance which talk/$$$ law makers out of stupid ideas such as bans and other business harming restrictions. Remember how many people would lose their jobs in the firearms industry, and how much tax revenues will stop flowing in uncle sam's pockets.

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Old 12-27-2012, 21:05   #35
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didnt we control the house when obama care was pushed through?

didnt the scotus change obama care so that it fell as a tax instead?

didnt obama use executive orders to change a lot of things while he holds the office?

do you still believe that the house of reps will stay conservative?

do you still believe the scotus will stand by the constitution and not revise it?

do you still believe obama wont threaten others with executive orders and other things?

dont be naive about the levels the democrats will sink to in order to get their way and change America from made it great.
The Democrats had majorities in the house and senate for Obamacare. Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote.
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Old 12-27-2012, 21:07   #36
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The Democrats had majorities in the house and senate for Obamacare. Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote.
Even then, they had to get the last votes by hook and by crook.
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Old 12-27-2012, 21:34   #37
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Great article! One of the best I've ever read on the anti logic of gun control.

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Old 12-27-2012, 21:55   #38
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my state bans carrying nfa weapons
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Old 12-27-2012, 22:33   #39
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However unlikely you think it is, we must treat it as if it is a great threat. Our response to this proposal should be very clear and very loud.
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Old 12-27-2012, 23:02   #40
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1) We control the House
It makes no difference. We only control it for now and not all Republicans are pro-gun and not all Dems are anti-gun. The gun issue does cross party lines. Heck, Both Harry Reid and Howard Dean have A ratings from NRA. Even if the House held firm for now, wait for the next election to see how it goes if we lose the House, which is a real possiblity with the way the voter fraud and uninformed voters swinging this last election.

2) SCOTUS ruled the 2nd amendment is a RIGHT
Again, the current Court said it as much but left it up to the states to regulate within their interpretation, so you still have people living in states and cities with very restrictive rules about owning guns, much less carrying. Again, wait for one current Justice to retire, and Obama appoints another Justice, and this issue will be revisited right quick with the anti-gunners to get another interpretation that there is no right.

3) The Liberals are panicking as they lose their gun control narrative!
Not as much as we think they are. They don't care for the most part because they have the leftist machine behind them. They will ride this wave for all its worth because you never let something like this go to waste without using it to further your agenda.

4) Executive Order will accomplish nothing as obama has no authority to issue new law! He's out of place here and will easily lose any court battle!
Nobody has really challenged him so far on deciding how he executes the laws, including non-enforcement of immigration laws and he doesn't even need to issue any EO's on this. All he has to do is have DOJ, BATFE, and other administrative agencies issue new onerous regulations and enforce them like crazy to run gun businesses out of business. Ammo? Just have EPA issue regulations restricting gun powder and lead or Department of Interior or Parks regulate the same and eliminate a huge chunk of the market to kill off ammo manufacturers. It ain't rocket science.

5) The gun control tide is losing steam and were winning the majority of all gun control polls, And the NRA is gaining as many as 8K new members a day!
Doesn't mean a thing. NRA can lobby and petition and ***** and moan, while the liberal MSM ignores them or makes them out to be crazies like the hit job on the Tea Party. The NRA also is not any part of the government that makes any difference when it comes to the AWB. While I support the NRA and have been a life member for decades, I don't have any illusions about what the NRA can and can't do.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:19   #41
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...so basically we are screwed sooner or later.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:21   #42
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Some of us pay more attention than others.

A lot of us remember the first AWB, and the political slaughter that followed the next mid-term election. A lot of Democrats remember this as well.

Feinstein had this bill in her desk, and has probably proposed it every few months since the last AWB expired.

A US Senator got shot in the face and it was just like this, where all you heard about for the next few weeks was "ban this" and "regulate that". Bills were proposed but were laughed at in Committee, they never made it to the floor for a vote. It was forgotten shortly after.

VP Biden was put in charge of the effort, if that tells you anything about how serious Obama is about passing a ban Now, when nothing succeeds, he can tell the loonies on the Left "Well, I put the vice president in charge of this, if he couldn't get it done no one could have "
You're not the only one that is paying attention to this.

If you want to look back to the past, you would note one very glaring point:

Back in 1993, when the AWB was passed, there had NOT been recent mass shootings with AR15s. Despite this, the AWB was still passed. Of course this lead to the Dems getting crushed in the mid term elections the next year.

Now, we have had a run of very gruesome, and very recent mass shootings with AR15s. And Sandy Hook is having an effect on people the likes of which we have never seen before. But for some reason you believe that all of this means that there will NOT be new anti-gun legislation passed.

You want to think that the Dems will face another crushing defeat in the legislature in 2014, like they did in 1994. That would be an ignorant assumption. With the effects of Sandy Hook and other recent shootings, it is far more likely that some elected officials will lose their seats if they don't vote for the looming anti-gun legislation.

There is going to be enough elected representatives, that previously would not have voted for anti-gun legislation, that will flip and vote for it, out of fear of losing their seats. That will get the looming anti-gun legislation passed.

Times have changed, and it seems like too many gun owners are stuck in the past from 20 years ago. Or fail to grasp the impact of 20 6 & 7 year olds getting murdered.

When the anti-gun folks like Feinstein present their legislation to the floor, they will most certainly roll out the "Mothers and Fathers of the Disappeared" from the Sandy Hook shootings, right out in front of the cameras on live, national TV.

Final point: Most people on GT thought that there were enough votes to stop Obummer Care. A lot of people here were certain Romney would win.

Ooooooops!!

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Old 12-28-2012, 07:43   #43
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Back in 1993, when the AWB was passed, there had NOT been recent mass shootings with AR15s. Despite this, the AWB was still passed. Of course this lead to the Dems getting crushed in the mid term elections the next year.
That's not true. Killen, Texas.... late 1991 and the Cleveland school shooting before that. They may not have been recent to certain standards but they were both ingrained in the political discussion back then. Namely, the school shooting about "assault rifles"

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That's not true. Killen, Texas.... late 1991 and the Cleveland school shooting before that. They may not have been recent to certain standards but they were both ingrained in the political discussion back then. Namely, the school shooting about "assault rifles"
Killeen was pistols, not an AR.

I can't find anything on a shooting in a Cleveland school around that time. Remember what year that occured?

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...so basically we are screwed sooner or later.
Yep IMO that is correct. We take it in the rear now or after 2014. Sucks either way. I would think that if this panic buying things calms down it would be wise to stock up before 2014 just incase. Plus it's a great excuse to buy more guns
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If we hold the House Republicans coming out for gun controls feet to the fire maybe not. Grassley R-GA and Kingston R-Iowa just put out some noise the other day that they are for some gun control measures. It only takes 40 to cross over to screw us.

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If we hold the House Republicans coming out for gun controls feet to the fire maybe not. Grassley R-GA and Kingston R-Iowa just put out some noise the other day that they are for some gun control measures. It only takes 40 to cross over to screw us.
Republicans hold a 33 vote majority, so only 17 have to cross. That's assuming that EVERY Democrat votes for it, which is extremely unlikely. The Republican head of the House Judiciary committee has already made it clear he doesn't support an AWB, and the bill will have to go through his committee. He can kill it single-handedly by now allowing it to come up for debate in his committee.
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I hope you are right......


Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons

Legislation

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

120 specifically-named firearms

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a

detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept

more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts andflash suppressors from

the characteristics test

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bulletbuttons” to address

attempts to “work around” prior bans

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than

10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existinggun owners by:

Grandfathering weaponslegally possessed on the date of enactment

Exempting over900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or

sporting purposes and

Exempting antique,manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered underthe National Firearms

Act, toinclude:

o Background check of owner and any transferee;

o Type and serial number of the firearm;

o Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

o Certification from local law enforcement ofidentity and that

possession would not violate State or local law; and

o Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
They put that bill out every ****ing year since the sunset of the 94 crime bill ban.
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They put that bill out every ****ing year since the sunset of the 94 crime bill ban.
Man, somebody tell Feinstein she needs to quit the Senate and just concentrate on being a professional lobbyist for the anti crowd. At least that'll get her out of government.
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1) We control the House
2) SCOTUS ruled the 2nd amendment is a RIGHT
3) The Liberals are panicking as they lose their gun control narrative!
4) Executive Order will accomplish nothing as obama has no authority to issue new law! He's out of place here and will easily lose any court battle!
5) The gun control tide is losing steam and were winning the majority of all gun control polls, And the NRA is gaining as many as 8K new members a day!
Thanks for lulling us into a false sense of security.
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