[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by hooligan74

I interpreted the quotes around "hot loads" as in Taurus accused him of using hot loads, even though he hadn't, as an excuse to try and not cover the repair under warranty.

I could be way off the mark, however.

No I think everybody else got it too

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[fuzzy03cls]

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

Just a spoiler,.........it IS a Brazillian made GI.

No markings anywhere.....

[joecoastie]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

They were 'good' to a lot of other people though.

BTW- That's prolly the stupidest analogy I've ever seen on GT, congrats. Dude, you can bash the PT-1911 better than that!

Nah, its a great analogy, you're just butthurt because it fits. I don't need to put any effort into bashing it, if you check out this thread there are more than a few former PT-1911 owners giving first hand accounts of its less than stellar quality.

ETA: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1460147

[method]

Originally Posted by fuzzy03cls

No markings anywhere.....

I'm pretty sure all Springfield 1911 frames are made in Brazil, along with other components. Guns that have an 'NM' serial number are assembled in the U.S. from Brazilian made components.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by fuzzy03cls

No markings anywhere.....

Look carefully around the flame. The IMBEL Gear Logo is stamped very lightly.

But hey, don't believe us. Springfield guns are all made in America and not Brazil, Croatia, South Korea, ad infinitum.

[Ruggles]

Some things made in Brazil are stamped as such



And some are not



In the end does it really matter?

[FLIPPER 348]

Originally Posted by joecoastie

if you check out this thread there are more than a few former PT-1911 owners giving first hand accounts of its less than stellar quality.

....yet they sell for almost 100% more than when they first were introduced in several variations. Yep, that's a poor product! You are just butt-hurt because the Taurus PT-1911 is such a success.

[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by method

I'm pretty sure all Springfield 1911 frames are made in Brazil, along with other components. Guns that have an 'NM' serial number are assembled in the U.S. from Brazilian made components.

Yep,.....it's been this way since the early nineties.

[t4terrific]

Originally Posted by cciman

Just realized that my SA loaded, that I had to send back for service was 'made in Brazil -Imbel".

My Taurus PT1911 is also made in Brazil, has more standard features and did not need factory trigger service, and cost $300 less. Hmmm...

It's pretty obvious that the quality of the PT1911 is nowhere near that of the 1911A1 though. I've handled, and shot both, and the taurus is subpar when compared to the Springfields, Kimbers, and even the Colts.,

[t4terrific]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.

While it may be sub $400 in value, they typically list around $600.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

Some things made in Brazil are stamped as such



And some are not



In the end does it really matter?

[t4terrific]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

....yet they sell for almost 100% more than when they first were introduced in several variations. Yep, that's a poor product! You are just butt-hurt because the Taurus PT-1911 is such a success.

As long as you don't mind safeties that come apart while firing, slides that rattle like a fishing lure, and one of the worst reputations in the industry rolled on the flat part of the slide.

[t4terrific]

Originally Posted by cowboywannabe

country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

I agree. My Kimber is better than my Colt, but sells for a hundred dollars less.

[bac1023]

There are some exceptions, but you generally get what you pay for in the 1911 world.

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by bac1023

There are some exceptions, but you generally get what you pay for in the 1911 world.

I think the only exception to that is some of the philipino 1911s. They can be pretty crude, but they tend to be reliable and accurate.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by ilgunguygt

I think the only exception to that is some of the philipino 1911s. They can be pretty crude, but they tend to be reliable and accurate.

They are generally very good values.

[MD357]

Originally Posted by t4terrific

As long as you don't mind safeties that come apart while firing, slides that rattle like a fishing lure, and one of the worst reputations in the industry rolled on the flat part of the slide.

Don't forget a lawyer/hammer lock that can and will fail. Flipper likes the lock though, if I remember correctly.

[SpringerTGO]

Originally Posted by t4terrific

As long as you don't mind safeties that come apart while firing, slides that rattle like a fishing lure, and one of the worst reputations in the industry rolled on the flat part of the slide.

I have a $3000 1911 with an ambi safety that comes loose, it's the nature of the beast with a 1911. Unless you buy a Wilson Bullet Proof safety. What does a loose slide have to do with anything? Some people say modern 1911's slides are typically fitted too tight for reliability. As long as the barrel locks up properly with the slide and bushing, what's the problem?

I've owned guns from Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Israel, and Brazil. The least impressive ones I've owned were made in Yonkers N.Y. and Berryville AR (not Wilson).

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by MD357

Don't forget a lawyer/hammer lock that can and will fail. Flipper likes the lock though, if I remember correctly.

Don't Springfields come with lawyer locks too?

Maybe it's a Brazilian thang?

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by MD357

Don't forget a lawyer/hammer lock that can and will fail. Flipper likes the lock though, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, because he kept it locked in a backpack at another person's house without disclosing it.

I remember him posting that once.

[MD357]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Don't Springfields come with lawyer locks too?

Maybe it's a Brazilian thang?

Yep, but they don't fail like the hammer locks do. Which is a retarded design altogether.

[COLDSTEEL165]

S&W Or the Ruger SR1911 either one are all made in the USA & both are priced that won't hurt your budget.

[OMEGA5]

Originally Posted by Jim S.

Springfield's customer service is excellent, which makes the higher price a better deal to me than the lower priced Taurus and their almost non existant customer service.
Try sending your PT1911 back and then compare the two.

Don't know about your experience with Taurus CS but
the 2 times I called them, they went beyond what I asked
for and overnighted it to boot. Bought a Circuit Judge that
didn't have the choke change tool in the box. One phone
call and 2 days later it was in my mail box. No questions
asked. Same with my Public Defender. Bought it used and
it didn't have the key for the lock. Phone call, 2 days later
2 keys, a Taurus key fob and a hat, in the mail box. All
free of charge. I'll admit, these are small things but it's
the small things that add up. I have no problem with Taurus
or their customer service.
Dano

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by OMEGA5

Don't know about your experience with Taurus CS but
the 2 times I called them, they went beyond what I asked
for and overnighted it to boot. Bought a Circuit Judge that
didn't have the choke change tool in the box. One phone
call and 2 days later it was in my mail box. No questions
asked. Same with my Public Defender. Bought it used and
it didn't have the key for the lock. Phone call, 2 days later
2 keys, a Taurus key fob and a hat, in the mail box. All
free of charge. I'll admit, these are small things but it's
the small things that add up. I have no problem with Taurus
or their customer service.
Dano

Glad you had a good experience.